>Because of limited resources in Canada they had waiting times of several years (Google can point to multiple sources), UK or Nederlands a few months First, EV

>Because of limited resources in Canada they had waiting times of several years (Google can point to multiple sources), UK or Nederlands a few months First, EVEN if what you are saying is true (spoiler alert- it's not). There are always private options if you really want to pay for it. So your argument of "there are wait times" basically goes away, because if you really want something "like you have now", you can pay and get it. Next, what is better.. never being able to afford an elective/non urgent surgery, or wait 4-6 weeks (or perhaps even longer) for it? The point is you will get it and not go bankrupt. And if it's urgent, you get it right away. Anything else you have heard is bullshit or has some other context you don't realize. I mean, do you realize how many people in this country are living with conditions that probably even being able to go to a doctor on a regular basis would massively improve their life? But they can't afford it- even with "insurance". >I hate the system in US, but at least it gives a chance to people who can afford it; >here, everybody is equally screwed. How do those two statements make any sense? You literally just said it gives a chance to people who can afford it... then claim everybody is equally screwed. No they aren't. It's like anything else- the top maybe 10-20% have no issues with it because they can afford it. So fuck everyone else right? The same top 10-20% who just love that the stock market booms during a pandemic because they can just continue to print more money. Man your attitude pisses me off. >The only thing that works well here is giving birth, that is free, you can cover that by the state or federal in US too The hell are you talking about? "Insurance" covers birth yeah, but it'll still generally max out most peoples deductibles so it's still thousands and thousands of dollars... and heaven forbid you have a c-section or some other complicated birth. Also, I lived in the UK for a number of years. We had so many trips to the doctor for our birth. Cost? Fucking 0. Yeah peoples taxes are a bit higher once you make descent money, but that's the damn point! People who can afford it are paying into a system that makes everyone better off. We should be trying to make EVERYONE AS A WHOLE better off, not only the top 10-20% which is apparently what your logic is.