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Not to mention that commercial ISPs also follow a three-strike system -- unless that's changed. I haven't been keeping track since it's not relevant to me. So

Not to mention that commercial ISPs also follow a three-strike system -- unless that's changed. I haven't been keeping track since it's not relevant to me. So it sounds like the only difference is that you all did a bit of investigation before issuing a strike. My friend was in a brand new dorm built for honors students. Network topology was quickly worked out that each floor was immediately visible, and I believe other floors could be found with some work. There were several 24-hour Halo lobbies going.

mulmen 6y ago
We were like a non-terrible ISP basically. Our job was primarily to facilitate learning. Secondary was to protect the university. Students pay the bills so their interests were always put first and we would go to bat for students if necessary. I don't recall if we used a three strike system or if it was more case-by-case.
belorn 6y ago
While I understand the position that a university ISP has and the potential fear of getting cut by upstream ISPs if one does not address abuse issues, it still sounds a bit like removing a student's access to the university if they got three parking tickets. Sure, it is against the law, but is it the university's role to enforce those laws?
- mulmen 6y ago
  I can't recall a specific case of a student actually getting banned for anything DMCA or piracy related. We issued warnings to the most egregious offenders and that was always enough. To actually get banned from the network you'd pretty much have to get expelled first. The point was we did have the capability to enforce it and keep the network secure.
sellyme 6y ago
> Not to mention that commercial ISPs also follow a three-strike system -- unless that's changed. Nearly every commercial ISP I've ever interacted with has a three-strike system to fulfil their legal requirements, but also unfortunately has an undetected bug in said system that causes it to do absolutely nothing.

mulmen 6y ago

We were like a non-terrible ISP basically. Our job was primarily to facilitate learning. Secondary was to protect the university. Students pay the bills so their interests were always put first and we would go to bat for students if necessary. I don't recall if we used a three strike system or if it was more case-by-case.

belorn 6y ago

While I understand the position that a university ISP has and the potential fear of getting cut by upstream ISPs if one does not address abuse issues, it still sounds a bit like removing a student's access to the university if they got three parking tickets. Sure, it is against the law, but is it the university's role to enforce those laws?

mulmen 6y ago
I can't recall a specific case of a student actually getting banned for anything DMCA or piracy related. We issued warnings to the most egregious offenders and that was always enough. To actually get banned from the network you'd pretty much have to get expelled first. The point was we did have the capability to enforce it and keep the network secure.

sellyme 6y ago

> Not to mention that commercial ISPs also follow a three-strike system -- unless that's changed. Nearly every commercial ISP I've ever interacted with has a three-strike system to fulfil their legal requirements, but also unfortunately has an undetected bug in said system that causes it to do absolutely nothing.