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I get what you're saying. And for what it's worth I do like the idea of making city centers more walkable and pedestrian friendly. But based on some comments i

I get what you're saying. And for what it's worth I do like the idea of making city centers more walkable and pedestrian friendly. But based on some comments in this discussion there are absolutely anti-automobile people here and they are vocal. I just responded to someone calling a car a "murder machine".

ck425 6y ago
Not that I disagree there's an anti car segment here (I'm personally very anti car) but a car can be (can not necessarily is) an effective murder machine. What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? I'm not saying that's the intent but when people call them murder machine the point they're raising (hyperbolically) is that cars and dangerous pieces of machinery and that has to be taken into account more when we consider urban design.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  > What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? knives would be the obvious answer, though they probably don't cause as much accidental carnage as cars.
  - ck425 6y ago
    That's the point. Cars have an unmatched level of potential damage compared to almost anything short of actual weapons. Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      I see what you're getting at, but I don't think this is a great way to show your point. a chef's knife is primarily a kitchen tool, but it makes for a much more effective weapon than a car. the thing that makes cars somewhat unique is their potential for unintentional damage. > Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable. sure, but this is a vague statement that has no real teeth. everyone agrees that drivers ought to try not to hit pedestrians. what gets fiercely debated is how civil (and possibly criminal) liability ought to be apportioned.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? Knives. Belts. Ropes. Electrical cords. Hammers. Chairs. Frying pans. Scissors. Etc., Etc., Etc., as nauseum, ad infinitum.
  - agensaequivocum 6y ago
    Indeed, more murders are committed in the US with hands, fists, and feet than rifles.
    - thex10 6y ago
      This in turn is dwarfed by the deaths caused by automobiles!

ck425 6y ago

Not that I disagree there's an anti car segment here (I'm personally very anti car) but a car can be (can not necessarily is) an effective murder machine. What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? I'm not saying that's the intent but when people call them murder machine the point they're raising (hyperbolically) is that cars and dangerous pieces of machinery and that has to be taken into account more when we consider urban design.

leetcrew 6y ago
> What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? knives would be the obvious answer, though they probably don't cause as much accidental carnage as cars.
- ck425 6y ago
  That's the point. Cars have an unmatched level of potential damage compared to almost anything short of actual weapons. Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    I see what you're getting at, but I don't think this is a great way to show your point. a chef's knife is primarily a kitchen tool, but it makes for a much more effective weapon than a car. the thing that makes cars somewhat unique is their potential for unintentional damage. > Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable. sure, but this is a vague statement that has no real teeth. everyone agrees that drivers ought to try not to hit pedestrians. what gets fiercely debated is how civil (and possibly criminal) liability ought to be apportioned.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? Knives. Belts. Ropes. Electrical cords. Hammers. Chairs. Frying pans. Scissors. Etc., Etc., Etc., as nauseum, ad infinitum.
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  Indeed, more murders are committed in the US with hands, fists, and feet than rifles.
  - thex10 6y ago
    This in turn is dwarfed by the deaths caused by automobiles!