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While that's interesting conjecture, it doesn't bear out in reality in this case. From an article linked elsewhere in this chain[1]: >From Jan. 1 to March 31,

While that's interesting conjecture, it doesn't bear out in reality in this case. From an article linked elsewhere in this chain[1]: >From Jan. 1 to March 31, the NYPD wrote 80 tickets for illegal crossing — less than one a day in a city of more than eight million people — and only one went to a person identified in police logs as “white.” So unless you think the "lower class" is 98% people of color, it's clear that the bias here is race-based, not inherent in the population. [1] https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/05/07/nypds-racial-bias-in-jaywalking-tickets-continues-into-2020/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/05/07/nypds-racial-bias-in-...

jimbob45 6y ago
Right but we have no way of knowing how many walkers were blacks, how many black and white walkers actually jaywalked, and how many walkers of each race got let off on warnings. It’s a nice talking point, I’ll grant you, but it won’t hold up to scrutiny on HN.
- LordDragonfang 6y ago
  >how many black and white walkers actually jaywalked Are you seriously proposing that 98% people of color could be a representative sample of jaywalkers, or are you a bad troll? That pretty clearly shows a bias in the level of policing.
  - jimbob45 6y ago
    Drawing conclusions with incomplete information is irresponsible, no matter how good the intentions.
    - nobody9999 6y ago
      You have incomplete information. As I said, all you have to do is spend an hour (or even ten minutes) in midtown Manahattan to see that everyone jaywalks all the time in NYC.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  I hate to break it to you, but in NYC, nearly everyone, regardless of ethnicity or melanin content, jaywalks. In fact, we don't call it jaywalking, we call it "crossing the street." And the fact that out of 8.5 million people, only 80 were cited and 79 of those were people of color (and all 80 male), it's not only obvious that such citations are motivated by something other than "routine" law enforcement, but it's clearly just a trumped up charge to stop someone they wanted to stop anyway. Spend an hour in midtown Manhattan and you'll see that's absolutely the case.

jimbob45 6y ago

Right but we have no way of knowing how many walkers were blacks, how many black and white walkers actually jaywalked, and how many walkers of each race got let off on warnings. It’s a nice talking point, I’ll grant you, but it won’t hold up to scrutiny on HN.

LordDragonfang 6y ago
>how many black and white walkers actually jaywalked Are you seriously proposing that 98% people of color could be a representative sample of jaywalkers, or are you a bad troll? That pretty clearly shows a bias in the level of policing.
- jimbob45 6y ago
  Drawing conclusions with incomplete information is irresponsible, no matter how good the intentions.
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    You have incomplete information. As I said, all you have to do is spend an hour (or even ten minutes) in midtown Manahattan to see that everyone jaywalks all the time in NYC.
nobody9999 6y ago
I hate to break it to you, but in NYC, nearly everyone, regardless of ethnicity or melanin content, jaywalks. In fact, we don't call it jaywalking, we call it "crossing the street." And the fact that out of 8.5 million people, only 80 were cited and 79 of those were people of color (and all 80 male), it's not only obvious that such citations are motivated by something other than "routine" law enforcement, but it's clearly just a trumped up charge to stop someone they wanted to stop anyway. Spend an hour in midtown Manhattan and you'll see that's absolutely the case.