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Does Google rank you better if you have AMP though?

by f6v 6y ago

ldjb 6y ago
“When an AMP page is available, it can be featured on mobile search as part of rich results and carousels. While AMP itself isn't a ranking factor, speed is a ranking factor for Google Search.” https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp
- ksk 6y ago
  If speed was ever a major factor in ranking - the search results would be dominated by pages without trackers/ads/etc. Google would never do that.
  - marcusjt 6y ago
    Google announced back in May that Core Web Vitals would become ranking factors next year, and more recently they recently announced that this would happen in May 2021 (a year after the first warning) https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-core-web-vitals-preparation/387944/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-core-web-vitals-p...
    - dgb23 6y ago
      Largest Contentful Paint is something I don't get at all. How is this helping overall performance? A fast and light site typically does well on this metric, but a site that does well on this metric isn't necessarily fast and light.
- donohoe 6y ago
  I would add that when pages are built properly they can often be faster than their AMP equivalents.
  - codeflo 6y ago
    Isn't that almost guaranteed? As far as I can tell, AMP does three things: 1. It enforces some good practices / forbids certain expensive browser features. 2. It lazily loads images only when they are scrolled in. 3. It fucks up scroll-to-top and other scrolling behavior on iOS. The first you can do with or without AMP. The second doesn't cause anything above the fold to load any faster. If anything, you get an additional delay until content shows up when scrolling, because the browser was prevented from continuing to download the other images in the background. The third regularly causes me to be done with a site in just a few seconds, which I guess is an optimization of some kind.
    - Sodman 6y ago
      It's very achievable if you have full control over the site and you know what you're doing... However that's frequently not the case in many large companies. Many times it just comes down to something along the lines of these pages being run by non-technical folks in sales/marketing that are just click-to-adding widgets/plugins/tags every week without ever removing anything. As a result, you see a lot of very low-hanging fruit make it into the final production site. It's not unheard of to see a website of a household name brand load in multiple versions of the entire jQuery library, for example. I've personally seen a major site from a recognizable brand that otherwise loaded in <1MB, but then proceeded to load Google Tag Manager and pull down an extra 15MB of JS/images. My point is, I think you're discounting the "AMP enforces some good best practices / forbids some bad patterns" point.
      - codeflo 6y ago
        I might be, that's not a world that's familiar to me. But I think if Google had only done that with AMP, no one would have any issue with it.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      There's a few other things AMP does, it prevents a lot of repaints by allowing the browser to determine the layout of the page at initial load time. All content areas are predefined, so you won't have things change or your scroll position modified because some advertisement loaded 5 seconds in and suddenly you're scrolled up from where you were. 2 is also a bit of an oversimplification. It'll load images if they're likely to be scrolled to, which I expect is some heuristic based on distance below the fold, and it may cause above the fold content to load faster since it doesn't need to compete with below the fold content (on very fast connections this may not matter, on slower connections it probably does).
- cma 6y ago
  > While AMP itself isn't a ranking factor, speed is a ranking factor for Google Search. Isn't that hyper-misleading? Click-through is a ranking factor, and especially click-through without return and click-through to something else on same results page, and being on the mobile carousel increases click-through. Or do they exclude those clicks from ranking?
- f6v 6y ago
  It's a Prisoner's dilemma then. I can hate AMP all I want, but I'm not going to remove it from my hypothetical web page. If I do, there will be others who don't.
wazoox 6y ago
Yes they do. But monopolies suck and must be dismantled, anyway.
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willio58 6y ago
I work at a digital marketing agency and can confirm that just enabling amp on a site will increase SEO value significantly.
- maxwell 6y ago
  Any sources or data you can share on that?
  - thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
    Aren't AMP results above the traditional search results on mobile?
    - dazc 6y ago
      Yes, AMP alone will not improve your organic search results but why should you care when those results come after AMP.
- DeathRay2K 6y ago
  My conversations with Google reps and experience at an agency differ from this. My experience has been and Google reps have confirmed to me that a performant enough site will not benefit from enabling amp. It seems like they do assume amp pages are high-performance, but they're not the only way to achieve high performance.
joegahona 6y ago
"Rank"? They claim no. But the mobile carousel is available only for AMP content, and that's actually _above_ the rankings. So it depends how you spin it.
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asab 6y ago
Google can't say this directly; forcing people to use your upsell for preferential treatment is likely anti-competitive. Instead, Google ranks on page speed (among many many factors), and then offer a proprietary tool (AMP) that promises to help.
- input_sh 6y ago
  It still doesn't rank on page speed (it will start in May next year), and it's not that hard to make your website faster than it would be with AMP.
  - DeathRay2K 6y ago
    It's similarly easy to make your website slower than it would be with AMP. Absent a performance advocate in the development team, the features that reduce performance are much more apparent and valuable to most businesses.
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  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    > it's not that hard to make your website faster than it would be with AMP. How do you beat prerendered? Your definition of not that hard seems to match my definition of impossible.
pvorb 6y ago
Yes, they give AMP content a dedicated area above regular search results on mobile.

Does Google rank you better if you have AMP though?

by f6v 6y ago

Does Google rank you better if you have AMP though?

ldjb 6y ago

“When an AMP page is available, it can be featured on mobile search as part of rich results and carousels. While AMP itself isn't a ranking factor, speed is a ranking factor for Google Search.” https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/about-amp

ksk 6y ago
If speed was ever a major factor in ranking - the search results would be dominated by pages without trackers/ads/etc. Google would never do that.
- marcusjt 6y ago
  Google announced back in May that Core Web Vitals would become ranking factors next year, and more recently they recently announced that this would happen in May 2021 (a year after the first warning) https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-core-web-vitals-preparation/387944/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-core-web-vitals-p...
  - dgb23 6y ago
    Largest Contentful Paint is something I don't get at all. How is this helping overall performance? A fast and light site typically does well on this metric, but a site that does well on this metric isn't necessarily fast and light.
donohoe 6y ago
I would add that when pages are built properly they can often be faster than their AMP equivalents.
- codeflo 6y ago
  Isn't that almost guaranteed? As far as I can tell, AMP does three things: 1. It enforces some good practices / forbids certain expensive browser features. 2. It lazily loads images only when they are scrolled in. 3. It fucks up scroll-to-top and other scrolling behavior on iOS. The first you can do with or without AMP. The second doesn't cause anything above the fold to load any faster. If anything, you get an additional delay until content shows up when scrolling, because the browser was prevented from continuing to download the other images in the background. The third regularly causes me to be done with a site in just a few seconds, which I guess is an optimization of some kind.
  - Sodman 6y ago
    It's very achievable if you have full control over the site and you know what you're doing... However that's frequently not the case in many large companies. Many times it just comes down to something along the lines of these pages being run by non-technical folks in sales/marketing that are just click-to-adding widgets/plugins/tags every week without ever removing anything. As a result, you see a lot of very low-hanging fruit make it into the final production site. It's not unheard of to see a website of a household name brand load in multiple versions of the entire jQuery library, for example. I've personally seen a major site from a recognizable brand that otherwise loaded in <1MB, but then proceeded to load Google Tag Manager and pull down an extra 15MB of JS/images. My point is, I think you're discounting the "AMP enforces some good best practices / forbids some bad patterns" point.
    - codeflo 6y ago
      I might be, that's not a world that's familiar to me. But I think if Google had only done that with AMP, no one would have any issue with it.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    There's a few other things AMP does, it prevents a lot of repaints by allowing the browser to determine the layout of the page at initial load time. All content areas are predefined, so you won't have things change or your scroll position modified because some advertisement loaded 5 seconds in and suddenly you're scrolled up from where you were. 2 is also a bit of an oversimplification. It'll load images if they're likely to be scrolled to, which I expect is some heuristic based on distance below the fold, and it may cause above the fold content to load faster since it doesn't need to compete with below the fold content (on very fast connections this may not matter, on slower connections it probably does).
cma 6y ago
> While AMP itself isn't a ranking factor, speed is a ranking factor for Google Search. Isn't that hyper-misleading? Click-through is a ranking factor, and especially click-through without return and click-through to something else on same results page, and being on the mobile carousel increases click-through. Or do they exclude those clicks from ranking?
f6v 6y ago
It's a Prisoner's dilemma then. I can hate AMP all I want, but I'm not going to remove it from my hypothetical web page. If I do, there will be others who don't.

wazoox 6y ago

Yes they do. But monopolies suck and must be dismantled, anyway.

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willio58 6y ago

I work at a digital marketing agency and can confirm that just enabling amp on a site will increase SEO value significantly.

maxwell 6y ago
Any sources or data you can share on that?
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
  Aren't AMP results above the traditional search results on mobile?
  - dazc 6y ago
    Yes, AMP alone will not improve your organic search results but why should you care when those results come after AMP.
DeathRay2K 6y ago
My conversations with Google reps and experience at an agency differ from this. My experience has been and Google reps have confirmed to me that a performant enough site will not benefit from enabling amp. It seems like they do assume amp pages are high-performance, but they're not the only way to achieve high performance.

joegahona 6y ago

"Rank"? They claim no. But the mobile carousel is available only for AMP content, and that's actually _above_ the rankings. So it depends how you spin it.

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asab 6y ago

Google can't say this directly; forcing people to use your upsell for preferential treatment is likely anti-competitive. Instead, Google ranks on page speed (among many many factors), and then offer a proprietary tool (AMP) that promises to help.

input_sh 6y ago
It still doesn't rank on page speed (it will start in May next year), and it's not that hard to make your website faster than it would be with AMP.
- DeathRay2K 6y ago
  It's similarly easy to make your website slower than it would be with AMP. Absent a performance advocate in the development team, the features that reduce performance are much more apparent and valuable to most businesses.
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- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  > it's not that hard to make your website faster than it would be with AMP. How do you beat prerendered? Your definition of not that hard seems to match my definition of impossible.

pvorb 6y ago

Yes, they give AMP content a dedicated area above regular search results on mobile.