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All of Craig's reasoning over the Skripal case were pretty well documented in his blogs. I'd definitely be interested in what parts required mental gymnastics.

jack_riminton 6y ago
Here's a start, each and every one of these is batshit crazy https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-poi...
- pmoriarty 6y ago
  Thanks for the link. I'd never heard of this guy, and honestly did not follow the Skripal case closely, so given your description of his objections as "batshit crazy" I expected to just laugh them off, but now that I've started to read them they actually seem like pretty reasonable objections to me. Maybe you have another link with objections to his objections?
  - jack_riminton 6y ago
    The onus is not on physicists to counter flat-earth claims, they just have to point to the facts As such, here are the facts in the Skripal case: https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/ https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/
    - pmoriarty 6y ago
      "The onus is not on physicists to counter flat-earth claims, they just have to point to the facts" Yeah, but the guy on the linked-to page is not making claims. He's just asking why. It would be far more useful for you or someone else to provide a link that answered his specific questions in detail rather than give a link to a non-specific information dump that does not specifically address those questions.
      - jack_riminton 6y ago
        I’d rather point out the absurdity of two known Russian FSB operatives saying they were there to admire Salisbury’s famous 123m spire An information dump is far more beneficial to the discussion of the case than a discredited former ambassador who tends to side with kleptocratic maniacs in Russia
      - jessaustin 6y ago
        Commentators ITT seem careful not to mention Murray's tireless advocacy for Julian Assange, while other journalists and former ambassadors have ignored his case entirely.
mhh__ 6y ago
It wasn't so much that they were made up or anything, but my issue with Murray's contrarianism is that he has no insider knowledge on the case. IIRC he took issue over the procedure regarding the roof of their house, for example. I don't doubt that the British secret services have adjusted the official story, but the idea that there is something genuinely fishy going on requires real evidence. His waffle-ing about Bellingcat being warmongers (if I recall his wording correctly) is similarly uninspiring.

jack_riminton 6y ago

Here's a start, each and every one of these is batshit crazy https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-poi...

pmoriarty 6y ago
Thanks for the link. I'd never heard of this guy, and honestly did not follow the Skripal case closely, so given your description of his objections as "batshit crazy" I expected to just laugh them off, but now that I've started to read them they actually seem like pretty reasonable objections to me. Maybe you have another link with objections to his objections?
- jack_riminton 6y ago
  The onus is not on physicists to counter flat-earth claims, they just have to point to the facts As such, here are the facts in the Skripal case: https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/ https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/
  - pmoriarty 6y ago
    "The onus is not on physicists to counter flat-earth claims, they just have to point to the facts" Yeah, but the guy on the linked-to page is not making claims. He's just asking why. It would be far more useful for you or someone else to provide a link that answered his specific questions in detail rather than give a link to a non-specific information dump that does not specifically address those questions.
    - jack_riminton 6y ago
      I’d rather point out the absurdity of two known Russian FSB operatives saying they were there to admire Salisbury’s famous 123m spire An information dump is far more beneficial to the discussion of the case than a discredited former ambassador who tends to side with kleptocratic maniacs in Russia
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      Commentators ITT seem careful not to mention Murray's tireless advocacy for Julian Assange, while other journalists and former ambassadors have ignored his case entirely.

mhh__ 6y ago

It wasn't so much that they were made up or anything, but my issue with Murray's contrarianism is that he has no insider knowledge on the case. IIRC he took issue over the procedure regarding the roof of their house, for example. I don't doubt that the British secret services have adjusted the official story, but the idea that there is something genuinely fishy going on requires real evidence. His waffle-ing about Bellingcat being warmongers (if I recall his wording correctly) is similarly uninspiring.