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What? Just track the customers that don’t pay. Don’t do anything with paying customers. Where is the problem? This sounds like a false defence.

bee_rider 6y ago
"Pay up or we'll spy on you" seems like it would have bad optics. Also, they can't sell privacy, just that they won't track using their network. If your information is being taken by multiple parties and they are all pouring it into the same data soup, the value of paying any particular spy off seems pretty limited. Apple can try to sell privacy, because they are in the position to fight all the spies simultaneously (we'll see how effective it is, seems like a really hard task but it is a good sign that they've got Facebook worried). AlsoAlso it is possible that the value of tracking is non-linearly related to the number of people you are tracking (if three people are somehow similar I might be able to apply some insight gleaned from one to the other two). So, they might fundamentally want quite a bit more than any reasonable person would be willing to pay for their service, to stop tracking.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  > Also it is possible that the value of tracking is non-linearly related to the number of people you are tracking (if three people are somehow similar I might be able to apply some insight gleaned from one to the other two). So, they might fundamentally want quite a bit more than any reasonable person would be willing to pay for their service, to stop tracking. Not my problem. Price it in and be transparent about how they are using data.
  - bee_rider 6y ago
    "Not my problem" is a funny expression, because there's an implied "to solve" at the end there. Yes, it is your problem to solve. But you do have a problem if you want a transparent and reasonably priced social media service: nobody in the market is willing to sell that, because doing it the shady way instead is more profitable. You've just got an unsolvable problem.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Sounds like Apple is offering a solution.
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neodymiumphish 6y ago
Which means you have to track the people enough to determine that they pay...

bee_rider 6y ago

"Pay up or we'll spy on you" seems like it would have bad optics. Also, they can't sell privacy, just that they won't track using their network. If your information is being taken by multiple parties and they are all pouring it into the same data soup, the value of paying any particular spy off seems pretty limited. Apple can try to sell privacy, because they are in the position to fight all the spies simultaneously (we'll see how effective it is, seems like a really hard task but it is a good sign that they've got Facebook worried). AlsoAlso it is possible that the value of tracking is non-linearly related to the number of people you are tracking (if three people are somehow similar I might be able to apply some insight gleaned from one to the other two). So, they might fundamentally want quite a bit more than any reasonable person would be willing to pay for their service, to stop tracking.

chillwaves 6y ago
> Also it is possible that the value of tracking is non-linearly related to the number of people you are tracking (if three people are somehow similar I might be able to apply some insight gleaned from one to the other two). So, they might fundamentally want quite a bit more than any reasonable person would be willing to pay for their service, to stop tracking. Not my problem. Price it in and be transparent about how they are using data.
- bee_rider 6y ago
  "Not my problem" is a funny expression, because there's an implied "to solve" at the end there. Yes, it is your problem to solve. But you do have a problem if you want a transparent and reasonably priced social media service: nobody in the market is willing to sell that, because doing it the shady way instead is more profitable. You've just got an unsolvable problem.
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    Sounds like Apple is offering a solution.

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neodymiumphish 6y ago

Which means you have to track the people enough to determine that they pay...