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So, I love a putin-bashing story like anyone else but, how do we know any of this story ISN'T fabricated? I take the data collected about the location of these

by 627467 6y ago

So, I love a putin-bashing story like anyone else but, how do we know any of this story ISN'T fabricated? I take the data collected about the location of these alleged agents can be strong evidence that these people were tailing Navalny, but how can we know for sure that any of the exchange between the alleged agent and Navalny himself is true or factual? I'm only asking because I'm surprised an actual agent would be so verbose via phone, regardless of how good Navalny was at pretending. Is it just due to the reputation of the investigators (bellingcat and co.)?

jacquesm 6y ago
Means, motive, opportunity + admission. What else do you want?
netsharc 6y ago
> I'm surprised an actual agent would be so verbose. And therefore you suspect it's faked? Well, why would Navalny do this? Doing this and being caught would be a great way for Navalny to destroy his reputation and all the work he's been trying to do despite the actually, literally, deadly dangers. And besides, the Russian agents don't seem to be highly capable, for example one of them brought taxi receipts from their HQ to the Moscow airport to their mission, and then got caught with it: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-spies-chemical-weapons-doping-us-evidence-opcw-hague-gru-a8569326.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-... You gotta love the stupid bureaucracy of needing secret agents to provide receipts for presumably reimbursement...
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  'secret agents to provide receipts' Thats the cherry on top
- 627467 6y ago
  I'm not questioning Navalny's intent, I'm questioning the (alleged) agent's.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    Then you should've been more descriptive in what you think is faked...
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  It may be the consequences of corruption. You can't trust the spies to file honest expense reports rather than trying to rip you off. So you make them file receipts, and so your spies get blown. Corruption is expensive, and not just in terms of money...

by 627467 6y ago

jacquesm 6y ago

Means, motive, opportunity + admission. What else do you want?

netsharc 6y ago

> I'm surprised an actual agent would be so verbose. And therefore you suspect it's faked? Well, why would Navalny do this? Doing this and being caught would be a great way for Navalny to destroy his reputation and all the work he's been trying to do despite the actually, literally, deadly dangers. And besides, the Russian agents don't seem to be highly capable, for example one of them brought taxi receipts from their HQ to the Moscow airport to their mission, and then got caught with it: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-spies-chemical-weapons-doping-us-evidence-opcw-hague-gru-a8569326.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-... You gotta love the stupid bureaucracy of needing secret agents to provide receipts for presumably reimbursement...

ClumsyPilot 6y ago
'secret agents to provide receipts' Thats the cherry on top
627467 6y ago
I'm not questioning Navalny's intent, I'm questioning the (alleged) agent's.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Then you should've been more descriptive in what you think is faked...
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
It may be the consequences of corruption. You can't trust the spies to file honest expense reports rather than trying to rip you off. So you make them file receipts, and so your spies get blown. Corruption is expensive, and not just in terms of money...