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I'd rather pay the apple tax (money) than the google/facebook tax (my data and privacy).

johnnycerberus 6y ago
I'm not using Google and Facebook either. I've restricted the traffic from my router to their domains. I have a Samsung phone, using Samsung's store. I use Yahoo for mails. DuckDuckGo as preferred search engine. Only WhatsApp (which is owned by Facebook unfortunately) and Discord for social stuff. My browser of choice is Edge. I don't pay oligarchs. Show me respect and openess, I will use your products. Restric my freedom, I will give you the middle finger. Also, I own Twitter and Medium fake accounts.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  > I have a Samsung phone, using Samsung's store... I don't pay oligarchs. Have you come across criticism of the chaebol system or Samsung as a company before? It’s pretty intense what has been going on and what Samsung has been convicted of doing. The wikis give a good overview. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
  - johnnycerberus 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing, I will go through those wikis. As an user it treats my right. I have the freedom I desire when I'm using their products. And I also get quality among other things. Something that I can't say about Chinese brands, though I've owned Huawei, Xiamoi and ZTE phones before.
- dkonofalski 6y ago
  I feel like this happens on HN all the time. You make this really grandiose display about all these choices you've made while ignoring that 99.9% of the people using these products are clearly not as informed or aware as you are about the ins and outs of the technologies they're using. That's literally why Apple is pushing for user consent and for users being informed. Not everyone has the same experience you do.
- paulmd 6y ago
  Samsung is actually a company that was specifically called out for bypassing permissions that you denied them. They would dig through the logs of other applications on the filesystem, look through EXIF tags on the files on your camera roll, etc in order to scrape information that they'd send back to Samsung to sell. https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/facebook-scraping-call-message-logs-android-app-3433288 https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/facebook-scraping-call-m... https://www.xda-developers.com/android-permissions-bypass-play-store-apps/ https://www.xda-developers.com/android-permissions-bypass-pl... These spyware kits are hardcoded into the first-party apps on Samsung phones that you cannot remove without replacing it with a custom ROM. Samsung is also the point of the spear on pushing advertising into their television sets and scraping your viewing for marketing purposes. Buying Samsung products is as bad as using Google or Facebook products in terms of your privacy.
echelon 6y ago
I don't want to pay the Apple tax.
- kergonath 6y ago
  It’s a good thing nobody forced you to buy one, then.

I'm not using Google and Facebook either. I've restricted the traffic from my router to their domains. I have a Samsung phone, using Samsung's store. I use Yahoo for mails. DuckDuckGo as preferred search engine. Only WhatsApp (which is owned by Facebook unfortunately) and Discord for social stuff. My browser of choice is Edge. I don't pay oligarchs. Show me respect and openess, I will use your products. Restric my freedom, I will give you the middle finger. Also, I own Twitter and Medium fake accounts.

lostlogin 6y ago
> I have a Samsung phone, using Samsung's store... I don't pay oligarchs. Have you come across criticism of the chaebol system or Samsung as a company before? It’s pretty intense what has been going on and what Samsung has been convicted of doing. The wikis give a good overview. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
- johnnycerberus 6y ago
  Thanks for sharing, I will go through those wikis. As an user it treats my right. I have the freedom I desire when I'm using their products. And I also get quality among other things. Something that I can't say about Chinese brands, though I've owned Huawei, Xiamoi and ZTE phones before.
dkonofalski 6y ago
I feel like this happens on HN all the time. You make this really grandiose display about all these choices you've made while ignoring that 99.9% of the people using these products are clearly not as informed or aware as you are about the ins and outs of the technologies they're using. That's literally why Apple is pushing for user consent and for users being informed. Not everyone has the same experience you do.
paulmd 6y ago
Samsung is actually a company that was specifically called out for bypassing permissions that you denied them. They would dig through the logs of other applications on the filesystem, look through EXIF tags on the files on your camera roll, etc in order to scrape information that they'd send back to Samsung to sell. https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/facebook-scraping-call-message-logs-android-app-3433288 https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/facebook-scraping-call-m... https://www.xda-developers.com/android-permissions-bypass-play-store-apps/ https://www.xda-developers.com/android-permissions-bypass-pl... These spyware kits are hardcoded into the first-party apps on Samsung phones that you cannot remove without replacing it with a custom ROM. Samsung is also the point of the spear on pushing advertising into their television sets and scraping your viewing for marketing purposes. Buying Samsung products is as bad as using Google or Facebook products in terms of your privacy.

echelon 6y ago

I don't want to pay the Apple tax.

kergonath 6y ago
It’s a good thing nobody forced you to buy one, then.