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> Along with that shiny new phone comes curse of thousands of poor people. Okey, do you have an alternative? Google is even worse.

srtjstjsj 6y ago
By a cheap phone and send the extra money to relief organizations.
tester34 6y ago
how Google's worse than Apple in that matter?
tooltalk 6y ago
Samsung, Apple's #1 competitor and the largest smartphone maker in the world, also has factories in India and doesn't have the kind of problem that Apple has.
- moogleii 6y ago
  Erm, Samsung is just as bad, if not worse. Hell, they don't even have a great rep with their own countrymen. They just don't attract the same amount of clicks here when their dirt is exposed. This paper is from 2017 but their promised pay is much less than what Apple's supplier here originally promised (and then reneged on, which is likely a large motivator for the rioting): https://goodelectronics.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/04/Samsung’s-sub-standard-labour-practices-in-India.pdf https://goodelectronics.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/... You can also easily find articles about Samsung's factories in Vietnam if that suits your fancy.
  - tooltalk 6y ago
    I'm not sure if you actually read the report. I just don't see the kind of abuses publicized in this incident in India -- namely deceptive "bait-and-switch" and skimming/unpaid wages. For instance, according to the report, their main grievances are that (1) the use of contractors and apprentices who make up 15% of the workforce there and are paid lower; (2) overtime and Sunday where they are required to work 1 or 2 hours more or work on holidays/Sundays during high production season. (3) resistant to unions. According to SCMP, most, or about 85%, of Wistron's factory workers are contractors[1]. While there seems to be some discrepancy between workers wages reported and received at Samsung factories, the figure reported by Apple/Wistron's factory workers are as much as ~45% less -- Rs 21,000 promised vs Rs 12,000 received. Now, I'm not saying that Samsung is a better corporate citizen, but it's just that I don't hear Samsung's CEO parading around making grandstanding speeches about how ethically they run their business or socially, environmentally responsible they are, at least not as often.
swebs 6y ago
Librem 5 USA.

srtjstjsj 6y ago

By a cheap phone and send the extra money to relief organizations.

tester34 6y ago

how Google's worse than Apple in that matter?

tooltalk 6y ago

Samsung, Apple's #1 competitor and the largest smartphone maker in the world, also has factories in India and doesn't have the kind of problem that Apple has.

moogleii 6y ago
Erm, Samsung is just as bad, if not worse. Hell, they don't even have a great rep with their own countrymen. They just don't attract the same amount of clicks here when their dirt is exposed. This paper is from 2017 but their promised pay is much less than what Apple's supplier here originally promised (and then reneged on, which is likely a large motivator for the rioting): https://goodelectronics.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/04/Samsung’s-sub-standard-labour-practices-in-India.pdf https://goodelectronics.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/... You can also easily find articles about Samsung's factories in Vietnam if that suits your fancy.
- tooltalk 6y ago
  I'm not sure if you actually read the report. I just don't see the kind of abuses publicized in this incident in India -- namely deceptive "bait-and-switch" and skimming/unpaid wages. For instance, according to the report, their main grievances are that (1) the use of contractors and apprentices who make up 15% of the workforce there and are paid lower; (2) overtime and Sunday where they are required to work 1 or 2 hours more or work on holidays/Sundays during high production season. (3) resistant to unions. According to SCMP, most, or about 85%, of Wistron's factory workers are contractors[1]. While there seems to be some discrepancy between workers wages reported and received at Samsung factories, the figure reported by Apple/Wistron's factory workers are as much as ~45% less -- Rs 21,000 promised vs Rs 12,000 received. Now, I'm not saying that Samsung is a better corporate citizen, but it's just that I don't hear Samsung's CEO parading around making grandstanding speeches about how ethically they run their business or socially, environmentally responsible they are, at least not as often.

swebs 6y ago

Librem 5 USA.