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Sony yes, but Canon? I thought it was faring worse than Nikon, or am I mistaken?

by amenod 6y ago

echelon 6y ago
Canon is frequently used in film for smaller productions. Nikon isn't used at all in that market.
- colechristensen 6y ago
  Which is stupid, it’s just because you can’t. Most Nikon models don’t have a clean hdmi output and limit video recording to twenty minutes.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
    The twenty minute thing is because of device classification. If a device records twenty minutes or more of continuous video, it is classified as a video device, which changes the regulatory structure. If you watch movies, these days, it's almost unheard of for a single shot to be more than a minute or two in length. Even films like 1917 are really digitally-stitched montages. I think the real reason is that Canon is ferociously dedicated to video, and they market that aggressively. It's a very different market from still images.
    - dbrgn 6y ago
      Are you sure about the clasification? From what I heard the main issue is often cooling. Cameras and sensors are often not engineered as video capturing devices, so recording time needs to be limited to prevent overheating. Often you cannot just stop and re-start the recording after the recording limit, because the camera is still too hot, it will stop recording after a few seconds. At least this is how it works for Fujifilm X-series cameras (which have higher recording limits though and are frequently used as hybrid cameras for video recording jobs).
      - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
        Well, it was what was explained to me by a marketing manager. The cooling thing hasn't been an issue for many years, since they changed their sensor design. Might also be a power-consumption thing, as the shutter needs to be kept open (I don't think they are using virtual shutters, yet), as well as (for DSLRs) the mirror.
        cromulent 6y ago
        I don't know much about the topic, but I noticed this the other day: https://www.diyphotography.net/this-guy-liquid-cooled-his-canon-eos-r5-and-beat-the-8k-overheating-issues/ https://www.diyphotography.net/this-guy-liquid-cooled-his-ca...
        ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
        There's definitely an issue with any kind of electronics and heat. "Hasn't been an issue" doesn't mean "won't blow up when overclocked." That said, astrophotographers like to cool their sensors, because it reduces noise.
      - mschuster91 6y ago
        > Are you sure about the clasification? From what I heard the main issue is often cooling. It is a tax issue - specifically a 2007 EU decision. (https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6779714320/cipaeustatement https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6779714320/cipaeustatement). I have a Sony A7S2 which can do, after the jailbreak, over two hours without breaking a sweat (never went above that because I didn't need it). The exception is anything involving sunlight - there the A7S2 runs into cooling issues without a sunshade.
    - colechristensen 6y ago
      I looked it up, it’s a european terriff which adds several percent tax to video cameras, with a time limit for what is classified as a video camera. So it’s just about money for one market. One source claimed it was going to be eliminated a year ago. As for shot length, sure what makes it into films rarely gets 20 minutes but that is quite different than what you want to do while shooting. Much more, we’re not all shooting videos for a feature film.
    - michaelt 6y ago
      > If you watch movies, these days, it's almost unheard of for a single shot to be more than a minute or two in length. Ironically, the low end of the market seems more interested in lengthy shots. You're right that lengthy shots are unusual in pro film - but people streaming on twitch/youtube routinely record a 4-hour video in a single take. If you're a youtuber shooting an interview with a single camera and no crew, you want it to keep recording and you can edit it down later. Action cameras will keep recording no matter how long your ski run is. Someone recording a sports match or school play or band concert or lecture will want continuous recording. Drone videographers don't want to worry that if they're delayed taking off, the recording will end mid-flight. Of course, how many people really need or will watch a full length video of little bobby's soccer match? Or need a DSLR to video it rather than a cell phone? Those are different questions...
nix23 6y ago
Canon and Nikon are the top players.
ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
Canon is pretty much even with them, on the DSLR front. Canon kind of "owns" the DSLR video camera market, but gets regularly beaten in still images for pros. What Canon has, is diversification. It's a much bigger company, with many different markets.
dagw 6y ago
Canon is much larger and more diverse company than Nikon. I don't know who is doing better in the DSLR space, but Canon is almost certainly doing better overall.
- tesseract 6y ago
  Isn't Nikon still a pretty big player in semiconductor (and OLED/LCD) lithography equipment? I don't know what percentage of the business that is though compared to cameras.

Sony yes, but Canon? I thought it was faring worse than Nikon, or am I mistaken?

by amenod 6y ago

Sony yes, but Canon? I thought it was faring worse than Nikon, or am I mistaken?

echelon 6y ago

Canon is frequently used in film for smaller productions. Nikon isn't used at all in that market.

colechristensen 6y ago
Which is stupid, it’s just because you can’t. Most Nikon models don’t have a clean hdmi output and limit video recording to twenty minutes.
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
  The twenty minute thing is because of device classification. If a device records twenty minutes or more of continuous video, it is classified as a video device, which changes the regulatory structure. If you watch movies, these days, it's almost unheard of for a single shot to be more than a minute or two in length. Even films like 1917 are really digitally-stitched montages. I think the real reason is that Canon is ferociously dedicated to video, and they market that aggressively. It's a very different market from still images.
  - dbrgn 6y ago
    Are you sure about the clasification? From what I heard the main issue is often cooling. Cameras and sensors are often not engineered as video capturing devices, so recording time needs to be limited to prevent overheating. Often you cannot just stop and re-start the recording after the recording limit, because the camera is still too hot, it will stop recording after a few seconds. At least this is how it works for Fujifilm X-series cameras (which have higher recording limits though and are frequently used as hybrid cameras for video recording jobs).
    - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
      Well, it was what was explained to me by a marketing manager. The cooling thing hasn't been an issue for many years, since they changed their sensor design. Might also be a power-consumption thing, as the shutter needs to be kept open (I don't think they are using virtual shutters, yet), as well as (for DSLRs) the mirror.
      - cromulent 6y ago
        I don't know much about the topic, but I noticed this the other day: https://www.diyphotography.net/this-guy-liquid-cooled-his-canon-eos-r5-and-beat-the-8k-overheating-issues/ https://www.diyphotography.net/this-guy-liquid-cooled-his-ca...
        ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
        There's definitely an issue with any kind of electronics and heat. "Hasn't been an issue" doesn't mean "won't blow up when overclocked." That said, astrophotographers like to cool their sensors, because it reduces noise.
    - mschuster91 6y ago
      > Are you sure about the clasification? From what I heard the main issue is often cooling. It is a tax issue - specifically a 2007 EU decision. (https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6779714320/cipaeustatement https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6779714320/cipaeustatement). I have a Sony A7S2 which can do, after the jailbreak, over two hours without breaking a sweat (never went above that because I didn't need it). The exception is anything involving sunlight - there the A7S2 runs into cooling issues without a sunshade.
  - colechristensen 6y ago
    I looked it up, it’s a european terriff which adds several percent tax to video cameras, with a time limit for what is classified as a video camera. So it’s just about money for one market. One source claimed it was going to be eliminated a year ago. As for shot length, sure what makes it into films rarely gets 20 minutes but that is quite different than what you want to do while shooting. Much more, we’re not all shooting videos for a feature film.
  - michaelt 6y ago
    > If you watch movies, these days, it's almost unheard of for a single shot to be more than a minute or two in length. Ironically, the low end of the market seems more interested in lengthy shots. You're right that lengthy shots are unusual in pro film - but people streaming on twitch/youtube routinely record a 4-hour video in a single take. If you're a youtuber shooting an interview with a single camera and no crew, you want it to keep recording and you can edit it down later. Action cameras will keep recording no matter how long your ski run is. Someone recording a sports match or school play or band concert or lecture will want continuous recording. Drone videographers don't want to worry that if they're delayed taking off, the recording will end mid-flight. Of course, how many people really need or will watch a full length video of little bobby's soccer match? Or need a DSLR to video it rather than a cell phone? Those are different questions...

nix23 6y ago

Canon and Nikon are the top players.

ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago

Canon is pretty much even with them, on the DSLR front. Canon kind of "owns" the DSLR video camera market, but gets regularly beaten in still images for pros. What Canon has, is diversification. It's a much bigger company, with many different markets.

dagw 6y ago

Canon is much larger and more diverse company than Nikon. I don't know who is doing better in the DSLR space, but Canon is almost certainly doing better overall.

tesseract 6y ago
Isn't Nikon still a pretty big player in semiconductor (and OLED/LCD) lithography equipment? I don't know what percentage of the business that is though compared to cameras.