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"Not start in Switzerland" is what I read. There is so much money here (I live in Switzerland too) that nobody blinks about a million more or less. The idea of

"Not start in Switzerland" is what I read. There is so much money here (I live in Switzerland too) that nobody blinks about a million more or less. The idea of "let's make a lot of money and let the tech drag behind while we're expanding our user base" is alien to the Swiss culture I know. Everything is done with eternity in mind. As the popular local saying goes: Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, but we are prepared" (called Mueller's law). We're 3rd in the nobel prizes by country per capita race, and 2nd in the capita nominal GDP for countries. We do a lot of things very well, taking risks or bluffing is just not one of them. In my mind, what makes Switzerland not the ideal "secure software" country is the scandals with the phony frontends for crypto companies that are CIA owned, but Swiss branded.

tom_mellior 6y ago
None of this is concrete. Assume they had started in location X, for X whatever choice is best in your opinion. How would this have prevented "allowing Signal to launch an iOS app" for example? The OP seems to have some violent anti-competitive fantasies, but I fail to see what they have to do with Switzerland.
- baxtr 6y ago
  I think it is ok to rant a bit without being super concrete. There is value in the rant, too.
nix23 6y ago
>In my mind, what makes Switzerland not the ideal "secure software" country is the scandals with the phony frontends for crypto companies that are CIA owned, but Swiss branded. Yes that! Swiss products are expensive, the only "pro" points where trust, quality and integrity. But with those two scandals those point are a thing of the past. Better don't brand your security related software-product as Swiss. BTW: Not just CIA but BND (the german one) too.
orbifold 6y ago
You have also been number 1 in money laundering for African dictators, educated the current dictator of North Korea, never gave back the gold / assets that were stolen from murdered Jews, only granted voting rights to women in the 70s and have a history of fighting for whoever pays the most. Somehow none of these things have affected the Swiss Brand.
- Viliam1234 6y ago
  > only granted voting rights to women in the 70s If we consider how more powerful are individual citizens in a direct democracy compared to a representative democracy, the indirect power (of nagging her male relatives and friends, to directly propose laws and vote on them) an average Swiss woman had before the 70s probably still exceeded the direct power (to vote for one of the few pre-approved people once in a few years) an average woman has in any other democracy today.
  - orbifold 6y ago
    That is a really absurd statement. If you can't vote, you can also not run for public office. The way you enact change in a representative democracy is to organise, create a party and then get elected, or to join an existing party and rise in the ranks. Some parties in Germany have a 50:50 male / female leadership split. I personally know several women that were active at the local level and ran for public office. A female acquaintance of my parents was state education secretary in the 90s for a while. None of that was possible in Switzerland on the federal level before ~1970.

tom_mellior 6y ago

None of this is concrete. Assume they had started in location X, for X whatever choice is best in your opinion. How would this have prevented "allowing Signal to launch an iOS app" for example? The OP seems to have some violent anti-competitive fantasies, but I fail to see what they have to do with Switzerland.

baxtr 6y ago
I think it is ok to rant a bit without being super concrete. There is value in the rant, too.

nix23 6y ago

>In my mind, what makes Switzerland not the ideal "secure software" country is the scandals with the phony frontends for crypto companies that are CIA owned, but Swiss branded. Yes that! Swiss products are expensive, the only "pro" points where trust, quality and integrity. But with those two scandals those point are a thing of the past. Better don't brand your security related software-product as Swiss. BTW: Not just CIA but BND (the german one) too.

orbifold 6y ago

You have also been number 1 in money laundering for African dictators, educated the current dictator of North Korea, never gave back the gold / assets that were stolen from murdered Jews, only granted voting rights to women in the 70s and have a history of fighting for whoever pays the most. Somehow none of these things have affected the Swiss Brand.

Viliam1234 6y ago
> only granted voting rights to women in the 70s If we consider how more powerful are individual citizens in a direct democracy compared to a representative democracy, the indirect power (of nagging her male relatives and friends, to directly propose laws and vote on them) an average Swiss woman had before the 70s probably still exceeded the direct power (to vote for one of the few pre-approved people once in a few years) an average woman has in any other democracy today.
- orbifold 6y ago
  That is a really absurd statement. If you can't vote, you can also not run for public office. The way you enact change in a representative democracy is to organise, create a party and then get elected, or to join an existing party and rise in the ranks. Some parties in Germany have a 50:50 male / female leadership split. I personally know several women that were active at the local level and ran for public office. A female acquaintance of my parents was state education secretary in the 90s for a while. None of that was possible in Switzerland on the federal level before ~1970.