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>Israel has no genuinely independent judiciary, nor genuinely free press. Israel is the only country in the world where the judiciary appoints itself and a new

by yyyk 6y ago

>Israel has no genuinely independent judiciary, nor genuinely free press. Israel is the only country in the world where the judiciary appoints itself and a newspaper like "Ha'artez" can exist. >Any normal nation would be completely horrified at the prospect of a private company effectively intervening into its foreign relations That would make most of the West "not normal nations".

baybal2 6y ago
> Israel is the only country in the world where the judiciary appoints itself No. Judges who serve on the Supreme Court, as well as the district and magistrate courts, are appointed by the Judicial Selection Committee, which consists of nine members: the Minister of Justice, another cabinet member, two Knesset members (in practice one is from the coalition and the other is from the opposition), two members of the Israel Bar Association, and the President of the Supreme Court and two other Supreme Court justices. The committee is chaired by the Minister of Justice. It can appoint judges to the magistrate and district courts by a majority vote, but appointing a Supreme Court judge requires a majority of at least 7 to 9 or two less than the number present at the meeting.
- yyyk 6y ago
  In short, Judges and people who are dependent on them have an absolute majority. They also have a direct veto power over any Supreme Court appointment (7 of 9 and they have 3 votes).
  - baybal2 6y ago
    No The establishment already has 3 votes by default, and needs only 2 yes votes — an easy thing to do, and almost certain if supreme court is already stuffed by pro-establishment judges for a few government terms. And candidates for supreme court appointment almost always come from seniormost district court judges, which were simple majority appointed. And if supreme court appointment keeps getting vetoed, they can simply do nothing, and wait for appointment by default of seniormost district court judge. And all of this does not matter at all when IDF intervenes.
    - yyyk 6y ago
      "The establishment already has 3 votes by default, and needs only 2 yes votes" Except the 'only 2 votes' are dependent on the other 3 vote block for a living. Also, the Supreme Court has retained its option for interfering with the composition of Knesset block, and putting an opposition member in it, which would make it an effective 1 member block.
quetzthecoatl 6y ago
India too (which is actually unconstitutional, but somehow that's ignored and judges select their friends and kin as next gen judges)
- baybal2 6y ago
  Keeping jokes to myself, but Pakistan also has quite a number of jokes how words "judicial fraternity" apply in the most literal sense. 18th amendment tried to fix the issue, but paradoxically just made it worse. The Chaudhry train wreck was a complete tragicomedy.

by yyyk 6y ago

baybal2 6y ago

> Israel is the only country in the world where the judiciary appoints itself No. Judges who serve on the Supreme Court, as well as the district and magistrate courts, are appointed by the Judicial Selection Committee, which consists of nine members: the Minister of Justice, another cabinet member, two Knesset members (in practice one is from the coalition and the other is from the opposition), two members of the Israel Bar Association, and the President of the Supreme Court and two other Supreme Court justices. The committee is chaired by the Minister of Justice. It can appoint judges to the magistrate and district courts by a majority vote, but appointing a Supreme Court judge requires a majority of at least 7 to 9 or two less than the number present at the meeting.

yyyk 6y ago
In short, Judges and people who are dependent on them have an absolute majority. They also have a direct veto power over any Supreme Court appointment (7 of 9 and they have 3 votes).
- baybal2 6y ago
  No The establishment already has 3 votes by default, and needs only 2 yes votes — an easy thing to do, and almost certain if supreme court is already stuffed by pro-establishment judges for a few government terms. And candidates for supreme court appointment almost always come from seniormost district court judges, which were simple majority appointed. And if supreme court appointment keeps getting vetoed, they can simply do nothing, and wait for appointment by default of seniormost district court judge. And all of this does not matter at all when IDF intervenes.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    "The establishment already has 3 votes by default, and needs only 2 yes votes" Except the 'only 2 votes' are dependent on the other 3 vote block for a living. Also, the Supreme Court has retained its option for interfering with the composition of Knesset block, and putting an opposition member in it, which would make it an effective 1 member block.

quetzthecoatl 6y ago

India too (which is actually unconstitutional, but somehow that's ignored and judges select their friends and kin as next gen judges)

baybal2 6y ago
Keeping jokes to myself, but Pakistan also has quite a number of jokes how words "judicial fraternity" apply in the most literal sense. 18th amendment tried to fix the issue, but paradoxically just made it worse. The Chaudhry train wreck was a complete tragicomedy.