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> Is ethics not taught in Israeli Computer Science curricula? ...Is ethis taught in any CS curriculum? It sure wasn't in mine (but to be fair, that was in Swi

> Is ethics not taught in Israeli Computer Science curricula? ...Is ethis taught in any CS curriculum? It sure wasn't in mine (but to be fair, that was in Switzerland).

cowsandmilk 6y ago
It is required for a program to be accredited by abet in the US
strangeloopworm 6y ago
It was in mine, in the UK. As expected, it was viewed as just another requirement, and nobody took it seriously
RpFLCL 6y ago
It was a requirement for my Software Engineering degree (my university was in the US). When discussing with my coworkers in the past, I don't think many of them were required to take any ethics courses, unfortunately. Ethics in software is something we should all probably talk about a little more often.
- ThePadawan 6y ago
  My alma mater treated CS more like "Applied Math", to the degree that I don't think that anyone in the department viewed Software Engineering as a major source of employment after the (Master's) degree. Viewed from the lens of "CS is a researcher/PhD candidate mill", a lack of focus on ethics makes some sense to the cynic in me.
iamjake648 6y ago
It was a required in my program. State school, USA.
bjourne 6y ago
It was taught in mine. Lots of focus on stuff like gender issues, discrimination, and academic dishonesty (don't cheat or plagiarize, etc). The guy who held the ethic course also held the course in abstract computer science. He most definitely would've been displeased had his students used what he taught them to write malware targeting journalists!
thatfunkymunki 6y ago
THERAC-25 was the topic of a lengthy ethics discussion during my computer engineering undergrad
whatyesaid 6y ago
It's no longer commonly taught, I think it was 10 years ago. It may have something to do with degree accreditation bodies but I'm not sure. Knowing Ethics doesn't really mean much, given ethicists aren't more ethical than normal people [0]. As an aside, another consideration is this isn't some private corporation, it's every government, you've got to consider the number of people before someone like Snowden popped their faces out. [0] https://qz.com/1582149/ethicists-are-no-more-ethical-than-the-rest-of-us-study-finds/ https://qz.com/1582149/ethicists-are-no-more-ethical-than-th...
- wjnc 6y ago
  In order to understand that ethicists aren't more ethical than normal people you need a course in ontology. We sadly lack courses in ontology in most curriculum.
TrackerFF 6y ago
I think every legitimate University makes their students take at least one philosophy course? Philosophy 101 (and every equivalent) heavily focuses on the classical and modern teachings on morals and ethics.
tripzilch 6y ago
I took it as an extracurricular course during CS (in the Netherlands). It remains to this day the one course whose lessons I apply every day in my life, moreso than any of the computer related courses.

> Is ethics not taught in Israeli Computer Science curricula? ...Is ethis taught in any CS curriculum? It sure wasn't in mine (but to be fair, that was in Switzerland).

cowsandmilk 6y ago

It is required for a program to be accredited by abet in the US

strangeloopworm 6y ago

It was in mine, in the UK. As expected, it was viewed as just another requirement, and nobody took it seriously

RpFLCL 6y ago

It was a requirement for my Software Engineering degree (my university was in the US). When discussing with my coworkers in the past, I don't think many of them were required to take any ethics courses, unfortunately. Ethics in software is something we should all probably talk about a little more often.

ThePadawan 6y ago
My alma mater treated CS more like "Applied Math", to the degree that I don't think that anyone in the department viewed Software Engineering as a major source of employment after the (Master's) degree. Viewed from the lens of "CS is a researcher/PhD candidate mill", a lack of focus on ethics makes some sense to the cynic in me.

iamjake648 6y ago

It was a required in my program. State school, USA.

bjourne 6y ago

It was taught in mine. Lots of focus on stuff like gender issues, discrimination, and academic dishonesty (don't cheat or plagiarize, etc). The guy who held the ethic course also held the course in abstract computer science. He most definitely would've been displeased had his students used what he taught them to write malware targeting journalists!

thatfunkymunki 6y ago

THERAC-25 was the topic of a lengthy ethics discussion during my computer engineering undergrad

whatyesaid 6y ago

It's no longer commonly taught, I think it was 10 years ago. It may have something to do with degree accreditation bodies but I'm not sure. Knowing Ethics doesn't really mean much, given ethicists aren't more ethical than normal people [0]. As an aside, another consideration is this isn't some private corporation, it's every government, you've got to consider the number of people before someone like Snowden popped their faces out. [0] https://qz.com/1582149/ethicists-are-no-more-ethical-than-the-rest-of-us-study-finds/ https://qz.com/1582149/ethicists-are-no-more-ethical-than-th...

wjnc 6y ago
In order to understand that ethicists aren't more ethical than normal people you need a course in ontology. We sadly lack courses in ontology in most curriculum.

TrackerFF 6y ago

I think every legitimate University makes their students take at least one philosophy course? Philosophy 101 (and every equivalent) heavily focuses on the classical and modern teachings on morals and ethics.

tripzilch 6y ago

I took it as an extracurricular course during CS (in the Netherlands). It remains to this day the one course whose lessons I apply every day in my life, moreso than any of the computer related courses.