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The error here is in considering “America” as a single entity “America” may be more powerful than Israel, but no single American politician is more powerful th

The error here is in considering “America” as a single entity “America” may be more powerful than Israel, but no single American politician is more powerful than AIPAC

mtgx 6y ago
Pretty sure Bernie Sanders was more powerful than AIPAC. But the whole party rallied against him. Maybe AIPAC played a small role in that, too, but it was far from the only reason they did that.
flyinglizard 6y ago
NSO is a private company. It was even in foreign ownership up to not long ago (when it was repurchased by its original founders). This is not something AIPAC is concerned with. Clearly US government as well as Israeli government have some interest in letting NSO roll its operations (have any NSO officials been banned by the US? US knew to ban Israeli officials in the past, AIPAC or not).
yyyk 6y ago
AIPAC's secret is the impression it's so powerful, but whenever an American administration wanted to advance a policy AIPAC didn't like (from selling aircraft to the Saudis in the 80s all the way to the Iran Deal), AIPAC melted away. It has no power to defend NSO, and I doubt it even has an interest to.
- SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
  And yet the Iran deal is gone and not coming back, and recently the US has pushed Arab states to normalize relations with Israel.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    Both due to Trump, not AIPAC. Biden is likely to restore the Iran deal, at least in form. US pushing mideast peace is longstanding American policy.
    - SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
      You don't think Trump was influenced by powerful zionists including AIPAC and his son-in-law? Why else would he care?
      - yyyk 6y ago
        Why would Trump care to withdraw from the Paris climate accord or the Cuba normalization agreement? I'm not arguing Nethanyahu played no role, he did deploy whatever influence and persuasion he could muster, and that helped overpower the influence of those who supported the deal, like French President Macron. But ultimately it was Trump's decision, and Nethanyahu would have had to live with it had Trump made a different call. Aside, note that nobody even thinks of easing up US sanctions on Cuba again or rejoining that agreement with Cuba. The Democratic party got such a signal from Hispanics last elections it's not even on the agenda.

The error here is in considering “America” as a single entity “America” may be more powerful than Israel, but no single American politician is more powerful than AIPAC

mtgx 6y ago

Pretty sure Bernie Sanders was more powerful than AIPAC. But the whole party rallied against him. Maybe AIPAC played a small role in that, too, but it was far from the only reason they did that.

flyinglizard 6y ago

NSO is a private company. It was even in foreign ownership up to not long ago (when it was repurchased by its original founders). This is not something AIPAC is concerned with. Clearly US government as well as Israeli government have some interest in letting NSO roll its operations (have any NSO officials been banned by the US? US knew to ban Israeli officials in the past, AIPAC or not).

yyyk 6y ago

AIPAC's secret is the impression it's so powerful, but whenever an American administration wanted to advance a policy AIPAC didn't like (from selling aircraft to the Saudis in the 80s all the way to the Iran Deal), AIPAC melted away. It has no power to defend NSO, and I doubt it even has an interest to.

SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
And yet the Iran deal is gone and not coming back, and recently the US has pushed Arab states to normalize relations with Israel.
- yyyk 6y ago
  Both due to Trump, not AIPAC. Biden is likely to restore the Iran deal, at least in form. US pushing mideast peace is longstanding American policy.
  - SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
    You don't think Trump was influenced by powerful zionists including AIPAC and his son-in-law? Why else would he care?
    - yyyk 6y ago
      Why would Trump care to withdraw from the Paris climate accord or the Cuba normalization agreement? I'm not arguing Nethanyahu played no role, he did deploy whatever influence and persuasion he could muster, and that helped overpower the influence of those who supported the deal, like French President Macron. But ultimately it was Trump's decision, and Nethanyahu would have had to live with it had Trump made a different call. Aside, note that nobody even thinks of easing up US sanctions on Cuba again or rejoining that agreement with Cuba. The Democratic party got such a signal from Hispanics last elections it's not even on the agenda.