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>human rights activists will die Most Israelis I talked to (about this specific subject; including the ones, working for NSO Group) do not understand the conce

>human rights activists will die Most Israelis I talked to (about this specific subject; including the ones, working for NSO Group) do not understand the concept of human rights. First two questions I get are "How gives these rights?" and "Where does the list written?" in this order with the same intonation. My guess it is result of some kind of indoctrination during high school and army service. P.S. I'm israeli

Sahbak 6y ago
That's absolutely bullshit, many tech literate people here are against the weapon industry, which NSO is part of. Enough of them don't give a shit, which is why NSO can hire people from the intelligence arm of the army for ridiculous salaries.
- comprev 6y ago
  I'm firmly in the camp that my brain will never be used in the weapons (or gambling) industry - no matter what the salary.
  - xvector 6y ago
    Not in the weapons industry, but in my experience statements like that struggle to hold up to the test of time. Seems like the places I wanted to work the least for offered the most, by a significant margin.
    - comprev 6y ago
      It's about making your lifestyle fit around the expected income and making a choice to accept lower wages in industries which align greater with your morals.
smileybarry 6y ago
Utter crap. The overwhelming majority of NSO's hiring pool -- i.e. army tech "graduates" -- are firmly against them. Another chunk doesn't care and is swayed by their 2-4x salaries, luxurious company vacations, gifts, all things to "make it up for" what you do. They're known to be "the bad guys". The tech courses we took in the army had plenty of emphasis on ethics, both the moral kind and conflict-of-interest kind. Source: I'm an Israeli.
- helge9210 6y ago
  >tech courses we took in the army had plenty of emphasis on ethics, both the moral kind and conflict-of-interest kind All the things done to all citizens of Israel (for example, indiscriminate movement and contact tracing) and residents of occupied territories are made possible by graduates of these courses. Main emphasis of "emphasis on ethics" is explanation to soldiers how each choice made during a chain of events resulting in underage kid, teenager or old woman in her sixties being shot point-blank is correct and no other choice is possible.
  - smileybarry 6y ago
    What I meant is "don't go black hat", along with things that, upon writing this reply, might be too revealing to put online. I've written and rewritten this reply maybe four times, but there's really no way to phrase it in a way you won't twist it to fit your "you're personally responsible for civilian murder" narrative. But I know what we did (my dept. at least), and that was not it.

Sahbak 6y ago

That's absolutely bullshit, many tech literate people here are against the weapon industry, which NSO is part of. Enough of them don't give a shit, which is why NSO can hire people from the intelligence arm of the army for ridiculous salaries.

comprev 6y ago
I'm firmly in the camp that my brain will never be used in the weapons (or gambling) industry - no matter what the salary.
- xvector 6y ago
  Not in the weapons industry, but in my experience statements like that struggle to hold up to the test of time. Seems like the places I wanted to work the least for offered the most, by a significant margin.
  - comprev 6y ago
    It's about making your lifestyle fit around the expected income and making a choice to accept lower wages in industries which align greater with your morals.

smileybarry 6y ago

Utter crap. The overwhelming majority of NSO's hiring pool -- i.e. army tech "graduates" -- are firmly against them. Another chunk doesn't care and is swayed by their 2-4x salaries, luxurious company vacations, gifts, all things to "make it up for" what you do. They're known to be "the bad guys". The tech courses we took in the army had plenty of emphasis on ethics, both the moral kind and conflict-of-interest kind. Source: I'm an Israeli.

helge9210 6y ago
>tech courses we took in the army had plenty of emphasis on ethics, both the moral kind and conflict-of-interest kind All the things done to all citizens of Israel (for example, indiscriminate movement and contact tracing) and residents of occupied territories are made possible by graduates of these courses. Main emphasis of "emphasis on ethics" is explanation to soldiers how each choice made during a chain of events resulting in underage kid, teenager or old woman in her sixties being shot point-blank is correct and no other choice is possible.
- smileybarry 6y ago
  What I meant is "don't go black hat", along with things that, upon writing this reply, might be too revealing to put online. I've written and rewritten this reply maybe four times, but there's really no way to phrase it in a way you won't twist it to fit your "you're personally responsible for civilian murder" narrative. But I know what we did (my dept. at least), and that was not it.