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I guess the question now is; under what jurisdiction does exploits based on WhatsApp and iOS source code lie? If I reverse engineered and sold exploits of Amer

I guess the question now is; under what jurisdiction does exploits based on WhatsApp and iOS source code lie? If I reverse engineered and sold exploits of American missile systems while in Somalia would that mean everything is A-OK? Idk. Again, not a lawyer.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
Whether the actions are technically illegal doesn't really matter unless we are already punishing anyone that breaks those laws. In your hypothetical, we would be punishing Somalia when Italy did the exact same thing unpunished.
- smashah 6y ago
  I forgot to add on my hypothetical that the Somalian government was protecting me. In which case it would be valid for people to be calling for sanctions let alone revocation of state aid. Iirc, hacking team dissolved or greatly downsized after their leak. I do not recall any cases against them for their export license to be revoked. I'm sure if the Italian courts rejected the case baselessly then there would be consequences (maybe further legal action/sanctions on specific individuals) as Italy does not operate with the same unique impunity that Israel does. The difference with Italy is that it does not receive state aid from the Americans. I'm sure if they were then people would be calling for cuts in a similar situation.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >The difference with Italy is that it does not receive state aid from the Americans. I'm sure if they were then people would be calling for cuts in a similar situation. This isn't true. On top of the general disaster aid, including $10 million for COVID, we have seven US military bases in the country which accounts for millions a year in aid.
    - smashah 6y ago
      Oh ok. Thanks for the correction. If the Italian government shields hacking team then I wouldn't be surprised if someone said that they should have that state aid cut.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      The US is by far the worst aid giver in the western world. Most so-called aid is "you can have this gift if you use it to buy X, Y or Z from businesses in the US". Look to Scandinavia and you'll see actual aid instead of (poorly) hidden state sponsoring of defense contractors. They even give more per capita than the US without those strings attached. US aid is embarrassing. Besides, US bases are not aid to the host country but aid by the host country to the US.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >Besides, US bases are not aid to the host country but aid by the host country to the US. They eliminate some need for the host country to spend on their military, often provide rent money, and stimulate the local economy. It's done to usurp sovereignty, but the host agrees as it benefits them financially. I don't disagree with your broader point, but I don't see how it changes anything. Calls to stop aid to a country differ even if the countries do the same thing.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

Whether the actions are technically illegal doesn't really matter unless we are already punishing anyone that breaks those laws. In your hypothetical, we would be punishing Somalia when Italy did the exact same thing unpunished.

smashah 6y ago
I forgot to add on my hypothetical that the Somalian government was protecting me. In which case it would be valid for people to be calling for sanctions let alone revocation of state aid. Iirc, hacking team dissolved or greatly downsized after their leak. I do not recall any cases against them for their export license to be revoked. I'm sure if the Italian courts rejected the case baselessly then there would be consequences (maybe further legal action/sanctions on specific individuals) as Italy does not operate with the same unique impunity that Israel does. The difference with Italy is that it does not receive state aid from the Americans. I'm sure if they were then people would be calling for cuts in a similar situation.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >The difference with Italy is that it does not receive state aid from the Americans. I'm sure if they were then people would be calling for cuts in a similar situation. This isn't true. On top of the general disaster aid, including $10 million for COVID, we have seven US military bases in the country which accounts for millions a year in aid.
  - smashah 6y ago
    Oh ok. Thanks for the correction. If the Italian government shields hacking team then I wouldn't be surprised if someone said that they should have that state aid cut.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    The US is by far the worst aid giver in the western world. Most so-called aid is "you can have this gift if you use it to buy X, Y or Z from businesses in the US". Look to Scandinavia and you'll see actual aid instead of (poorly) hidden state sponsoring of defense contractors. They even give more per capita than the US without those strings attached. US aid is embarrassing. Besides, US bases are not aid to the host country but aid by the host country to the US.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >Besides, US bases are not aid to the host country but aid by the host country to the US. They eliminate some need for the host country to spend on their military, often provide rent money, and stimulate the local economy. It's done to usurp sovereignty, but the host agrees as it benefits them financially. I don't disagree with your broader point, but I don't see how it changes anything. Calls to stop aid to a country differ even if the countries do the same thing.