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Why would he leave at the zenith of Xobni? What is a year or two more? Would you leave -- even if you had aspirations of doing your own startp?

by bprater 18y ago

steveplace 18y ago
I've wanted to build a workplace where people can be creative, productive, and happy, and a product that delights users and improves their lives. I feel like the time is now. Pretty canned response. I'd like to hear the real reasons as well.
- Tichy 18y ago
  Maybe he would have liked to sell to Microsoft.
  - menloparkbum 18y ago
    Or maybe he convinced everyone to turn down Microsoft. In any case, founders and early stage employees leave on their own accord, or get nudged out, all the time. I've been involved with a number of startups and have seen guys kind of forced out because of conflicts with the investors. I've also seen guys leave for totally random reasons - one guy was a co-founder and wrote 100K+ lines of code in a year, then decided he wanted to go back to south america to work on a ranch. However, the main reason I've seen early stage people quit is simply because they were sick of working on the project.
    - rokhayakebe 18y ago
      Or maybe he convinced everyone to turn down Microsoft. I doubt one employee can convince co-founders, employees AND VCs to not sell when they are ready.
ardit33 18y ago
It seems that there is some kind of conflict in between. I see no other reason for somebody to leave. Maybe hiring somebody from yahoo as "adult supervision" was not such a great idea. Who knows? Ps. I'd love to hear more on what happened. Maybe in few months, after his trip, Gabor will write some more about this, and the real reasons he left. Maybe we can all learn some more from his experience.
- edw519 18y ago
  I'd love to hear more on what happened Wouldn't we all? But I suspect all these people have too much class to give us the real dish.
  - curiousgeorge 18y ago
    there are classy and non-classy ways to say "fuck you".
- joshu 18y ago
  bonforte as adult supervision is infinitely hilarious.
Andys 18y ago
I first learned something was wrong with Xobni when I recommended it (without having tested it, since I use Unix on my workstation) to some friends who are the perfect target market for Xobni: busy executive users of outlook who have to manage quite alot of email. Next thing I heard back was that it made their Outlook unstable and crashy and they uninstalled it. Now this...
mrtron 18y ago
In the wrong environment a year or two could be soul-crushing. To quote a certain edw519...'One day you realize that you only have x days on this earth and y of them are already gone.' Sometimes options vesting or even guaranteed money isn't the right path. It may be the easy path though.
- rams 18y ago
  "In the wrong environment a year or two could be soul-crushing." - Very well put. That's the reason, I left the previous start-up I was working with. Honestly I think if you are not one of the co-founders of a startup, it's just not worth it, and not just for financial reasons.
  - mrtron 18y ago
    But I imagine you learned a lot of important answers during that time. I went through a similar situation, and I am still glad I did it. And these lessons are far cheaper in time learning when you can leave compared to when you have fully committed yourself.
h34t 18y ago
I tried to leave the following comment at TechCrunch (hasn't been posted yet). Maybe it's written in a poor tone (more patient, perhaps?) but I didn't have time to rewrite it again. "Why wouldn’t Cselle wait for his payday and then jump ship to start his own company" -- have you considered the possibility that the human spirit does not run on cash and reason alone? That it's not implausible to leave money on the table and gamble on something new, for the sake of happiness and passion? "Cselle likely wants his own shot at glory, and because of Xobni’s quick rise to success, members of the team may believe that launching a startup is far easier than it really is." -- Why jump to conclude that this move is egotistical and naive? I'm also leaving my present company (in a minority shareholder, VP role) just a couple weeks after Gabor -- mid-September. It's well-funded (not a tech company so not relevant to Techcrunch) and has excellent prospects in a massive and growing industry. When I leave, I am going to be rather poor -- none of my shares will have vested -- and with few obvious prospects. It's the most gut-wrenching decision I've ever made -- I spent two years full time pouring my sweat into this thing on both sides of the world, making countless sacrifices. And business-wise, my efforts were not in vain -- the business is poised to do very well... but over the past several months, I too have found myself deeply unhappy with where I am -- disconnected with the energy that caused me to enter business in the first place, which was to express myself creatively _in leadership_. If he feels trapped rather than emboldened in his current role, then all the power to him to seize back control of his life and try to make his dream work. I'm sure it hasn't been an easy decision for him, because when it doesn't make sense to outsiders, it probably doesn't make sense to the rational part of him either. I've found it almost indescribably hard to leave a great team working on an exciting, successful project -- especially when I know that my decision will probably not make a lot of sense to outsiders. But sometimes you have to go beyond rational economic outcomes and listen to the part of you that gives you meaning. Better that, than become one of the countless people in the herd who has goals where his heart used to be.
mattmaroon 18y ago
You should always leave companies at their zenith.Leaving it either too early or too late costs you money. I don't think Xobni's there yet though.

Why would he leave at the zenith of Xobni? What is a year or two more? Would you leave -- even if you had aspirations of doing your own startp?

by bprater 18y ago

Why would he leave at the zenith of Xobni? What is a year or two more? Would you leave -- even if you had aspirations of doing your own startp?

steveplace 18y ago

I've wanted to build a workplace where people can be creative, productive, and happy, and a product that delights users and improves their lives. I feel like the time is now. Pretty canned response. I'd like to hear the real reasons as well.

Tichy 18y ago
Maybe he would have liked to sell to Microsoft.
- menloparkbum 18y ago
  Or maybe he convinced everyone to turn down Microsoft. In any case, founders and early stage employees leave on their own accord, or get nudged out, all the time. I've been involved with a number of startups and have seen guys kind of forced out because of conflicts with the investors. I've also seen guys leave for totally random reasons - one guy was a co-founder and wrote 100K+ lines of code in a year, then decided he wanted to go back to south america to work on a ranch. However, the main reason I've seen early stage people quit is simply because they were sick of working on the project.
  - rokhayakebe 18y ago
    Or maybe he convinced everyone to turn down Microsoft. I doubt one employee can convince co-founders, employees AND VCs to not sell when they are ready.

ardit33 18y ago

It seems that there is some kind of conflict in between. I see no other reason for somebody to leave. Maybe hiring somebody from yahoo as "adult supervision" was not such a great idea. Who knows? Ps. I'd love to hear more on what happened. Maybe in few months, after his trip, Gabor will write some more about this, and the real reasons he left. Maybe we can all learn some more from his experience.

edw519 18y ago
I'd love to hear more on what happened Wouldn't we all? But I suspect all these people have too much class to give us the real dish.
- curiousgeorge 18y ago
  there are classy and non-classy ways to say "fuck you".
joshu 18y ago
bonforte as adult supervision is infinitely hilarious.

Andys 18y ago

I first learned something was wrong with Xobni when I recommended it (without having tested it, since I use Unix on my workstation) to some friends who are the perfect target market for Xobni: busy executive users of outlook who have to manage quite alot of email. Next thing I heard back was that it made their Outlook unstable and crashy and they uninstalled it. Now this...

mrtron 18y ago

In the wrong environment a year or two could be soul-crushing. To quote a certain edw519...'One day you realize that you only have x days on this earth and y of them are already gone.' Sometimes options vesting or even guaranteed money isn't the right path. It may be the easy path though.

rams 18y ago
"In the wrong environment a year or two could be soul-crushing." - Very well put. That's the reason, I left the previous start-up I was working with. Honestly I think if you are not one of the co-founders of a startup, it's just not worth it, and not just for financial reasons.
- mrtron 18y ago
  But I imagine you learned a lot of important answers during that time. I went through a similar situation, and I am still glad I did it. And these lessons are far cheaper in time learning when you can leave compared to when you have fully committed yourself.

h34t 18y ago

I tried to leave the following comment at TechCrunch (hasn't been posted yet). Maybe it's written in a poor tone (more patient, perhaps?) but I didn't have time to rewrite it again. "Why wouldn’t Cselle wait for his payday and then jump ship to start his own company" -- have you considered the possibility that the human spirit does not run on cash and reason alone? That it's not implausible to leave money on the table and gamble on something new, for the sake of happiness and passion? "Cselle likely wants his own shot at glory, and because of Xobni’s quick rise to success, members of the team may believe that launching a startup is far easier than it really is." -- Why jump to conclude that this move is egotistical and naive? I'm also leaving my present company (in a minority shareholder, VP role) just a couple weeks after Gabor -- mid-September. It's well-funded (not a tech company so not relevant to Techcrunch) and has excellent prospects in a massive and growing industry. When I leave, I am going to be rather poor -- none of my shares will have vested -- and with few obvious prospects. It's the most gut-wrenching decision I've ever made -- I spent two years full time pouring my sweat into this thing on both sides of the world, making countless sacrifices. And business-wise, my efforts were not in vain -- the business is poised to do very well... but over the past several months, I too have found myself deeply unhappy with where I am -- disconnected with the energy that caused me to enter business in the first place, which was to express myself creatively _in leadership_. If he feels trapped rather than emboldened in his current role, then all the power to him to seize back control of his life and try to make his dream work. I'm sure it hasn't been an easy decision for him, because when it doesn't make sense to outsiders, it probably doesn't make sense to the rational part of him either. I've found it almost indescribably hard to leave a great team working on an exciting, successful project -- especially when I know that my decision will probably not make a lot of sense to outsiders. But sometimes you have to go beyond rational economic outcomes and listen to the part of you that gives you meaning. Better that, than become one of the countless people in the herd who has goals where his heart used to be.

mattmaroon 18y ago

You should always leave companies at their zenith.Leaving it either too early or too late costs you money. I don't think Xobni's there yet though.