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I cannot read the article due to elsevier being cancer, but I thought it was illegal to deal with ivory at all, no matter how old, because a strict prohibition

I cannot read the article due to elsevier being cancer, but I thought it was illegal to deal with ivory at all, no matter how old, because a strict prohibition simplifies policing of ivory (as elephant poachers cannot pretend they merely found centuries old ivory laying around somewhere.)

ceejayoz 6y ago
https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban... > Under Federal law, you can sell your African elephant ivory within your state (intrastate commerce) if you can demonstrate that your ivory was lawfully imported prior to the date that the African elephant was listed in CITES Appendix I (January 18, 1990). This documentation could be in the form of a CITES pre-Convention certificate, a datable photo, a dated letter or other document referring to the item, or other evidence. > The sale of African elephant ivory items across state lines (interstate commerce) is prohibited, except for items that qualify as ESA antiques and certain manufactured or handcrafted items that contain a small (de minimis) amount of ivory and meet specific criteria.
Someone 6y ago
It may be temporarily, but as far as I can tell, the linked page has the entire article. A few clicks also gave me https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982220316638-mmc2.pdf https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S09609822203166... which, to me, looks like a PDF of the full article.
detaro 6y ago
Maybe in some places, but the international treaties allow even commercial trade of certified antiques. And moving a sample for scientific purposes like here is likely allowed anyways if properly certified. The article explicitly references the export permit.
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carlob 6y ago
It's sourcing as in finding the source (where the herd was), as opposed to using some antique ivory for repairing a piano.
encom 6y ago
https://archive.ph/3xT9v https://archive.ph/3xT9v I tried getting Wayback Machine to archive it, but it just goes on a HTTP 302 wild goose chase.

ceejayoz 6y ago

https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban-questions-and-answers.html https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban... > Under Federal law, you can sell your African elephant ivory within your state (intrastate commerce) if you can demonstrate that your ivory was lawfully imported prior to the date that the African elephant was listed in CITES Appendix I (January 18, 1990). This documentation could be in the form of a CITES pre-Convention certificate, a datable photo, a dated letter or other document referring to the item, or other evidence. > The sale of African elephant ivory items across state lines (interstate commerce) is prohibited, except for items that qualify as ESA antiques and certain manufactured or handcrafted items that contain a small (de minimis) amount of ivory and meet specific criteria.

Someone 6y ago

It may be temporarily, but as far as I can tell, the linked page has the entire article. A few clicks also gave me https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0960982220316638-mmc2.pdf https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S09609822203166... which, to me, looks like a PDF of the full article.

detaro 6y ago

Maybe in some places, but the international treaties allow even commercial trade of certified antiques. And moving a sample for scientific purposes like here is likely allowed anyways if properly certified. The article explicitly references the export permit.

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carlob 6y ago

It's sourcing as in finding the source (where the herd was), as opposed to using some antique ivory for repairing a piano.

encom 6y ago

https://archive.ph/3xT9v https://archive.ph/3xT9v I tried getting Wayback Machine to archive it, but it just goes on a HTTP 302 wild goose chase.