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I think it's clear even by your tone you recognize those aren't great leaders. Are you saying you feel they are -successful- leaders? More so than the kind ones
by lostcolony 6y ago
I think it's clear even by your tone you recognize those aren't great leaders. Are you saying you feel they are -successful- leaders? More so than the kind ones? I think most would view Obama as a more successful leader than Trump; certainly, he won re-election easily.
- spoonjim 6y agoTrump has had a much bigger impact on America than Obama did... whether that’s good or bad depends on your perspective. If, say, your mother was one of the villagers raped and murdered at Dos Erres in Guatemala, you might feel some catharsis from the hastened demise of the American republic.
- lostcolony 6y agoDidn't say anything about effectiveness at creating change; Trump could have had that on lock just by pressing the red button, so to speak. I said leader.
- disgrunt 6y agoIs winning re-election really the metric for a great leader? If anything, an effective leader is going to have more opposition when it comes to re-election. No one is concerned with an ineffective leader, least of all their enemies.
- cambalache 6y agoObama is a great politician (as in kiss the babies get the votes politician). He is one of the most inconsequential presidents in the last 100 years. Basically nothing happened during his presidency. The status quo was maintained, some trends got worse (inequality, climate record) and a barely functional health plan was put in place, that's it.
- jrm4 6y agoBut I really wish people understood how difficult it is to get to "nothing happened." Pilots put in hundreds of hours, and the plane landed, so "nothing happened." The 20 hour surgery went well and the person survived, so "nothing happened." Etc. etc.