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Wow. Are you really saying that the men who consume porn are equally victimized as actual sex workers, because of an algorithm? In the sense that algorithms do
by klunger 6y ago
Wow. Are you really saying that the men who consume porn are equally victimized as actual sex workers, because of an algorithm?
In the sense that algorithms do nudge our behaviour in insidious ways, addicted consumers of porn can be seen as victims of a sort. But, to suggest that the social stigma associated with porn usage is equal, much less anywhere near approaching, or in the same order of magnitude of the social stigma that sex workers face, is just so incredibly wrong.
- witherk 6y agoI think you're right if you're only putting 1 sex worker and 1 porn addict on the scale, but I would imagine that for every sex worker there could be 100 porn addicts watching them, the math gets more tricky.
- klunger 6y agoThis is an interesting point. The problem, I think, is that as individuals, we only have feelings based on our own experiences. So, perhaps in an aggregate sense, there is more suffering of all the men men who are slightly stigmatized because they watch too much porn. But, none of them feel this as acutely as the single single sex worker who can 1) probably never get a more "legitimate" job again 2) may not be there of her own free will (yes, even if she is getting paid) 3) may not have any support network because her family has cut her off because of what she does (this is common).
- mbrodersen 6y agoIf I understand it correctly, porn actors are adults, working under signed, legal contracts that specify, in extreme explicit details, exactly what they will be doing during a shoot. If they were actually forced to do it, then it would be a criminal act of rape, something that would very quickly bring down producers responsible for it. Do you have any evidence that porn actors in general are forced to work?
- lanternfish 6y agoCheck out Doe vs. Girlsdoporncom. The decision finds that the company used manipulation and intimidation to force young women into signing contracts they weren't supposed to understand which were contrary to spoken agreements. This company was big (maybe still is) and isn't an outlier in the space.
- vladTheInhaler 6y agoActually that company is now dead, and one of the owners is an international fugitive.
- mbrodersen 6y agoA single example is not evidence for it happening in general. There are plenty examples of factories dangerously mistreating their workers. That doesn’t mean that they all do it or that it is common practice.
- steve_taylor 6y agoUsername checks out.
- Guthur 6y agoSo there is some sort of scale of victimhood, and everyone should measured against it? Are men victims of their own biology? How come they're the ones that predominately, are they inherently evil and exploitive, is that what we should believe. Whoa inventing moral codes is hard, i wonder how long it will take us to figure it out again.