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I think that the dispute around Phobos in 2010 together with C++11 froze the enthusiasm that was brewing around it. Rust nowadays got much more mindshare than D

I think that the dispute around Phobos in 2010 together with C++11 froze the enthusiasm that was brewing around it. Rust nowadays got much more mindshare than D ever had, and C++17/20 while extremely complicated is "good enough" for a lot of folks out there. Also, I think that stuff such as garbage collection and reference types seriously fell out of fashion, because there's no way in hell lots of C folks will ever consider a language with them, sadly.

pjmlp 6y ago
Depends who you ask, yeah certainly not fashionable in UNIX circles, but that is more to computing than that. And since we are speaking about games here, https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProgrammingAndScripting/ProgrammingWithCPP/UnrealArchitecture/Objects/Optimizations/index.html#garbagecollection https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProgrammingAndScripting/...
- qalmakka 6y ago
  Sadly, "being fashionable in UNIX circles" is more important than it sounds, because those circles have quite a lot of skilled people, mindshare and staying power and they contribute to lots of critical components that only now are (partially) considering to accept contributions in a different language than C, and that's because that language is Rust (see Linux, GNOME, etc). The refusal of C++ from those "UNIX circles" has led to decades of reinventing the wheel from people that reimplemented all sorts of weird hacks in C for reasons that basically boil down to a strong, unsatiable desire to avoid C++ at all cost (see Glib, Gtk+, etc).
skocznymroczny 6y ago
Rust did a good thing by creating its own niche. D has constantly tried to appeal C++ programmers, implementing features such as better interop with C++ and a lot of advanced template structures. But C++ programmers won't go to D anyway, any language with a GC is dead in C++ programmers' eyes, even if it's reasonable argument or not.

pjmlp 6y ago

Depends who you ask, yeah certainly not fashionable in UNIX circles, but that is more to computing than that. And since we are speaking about games here, https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProgrammingAndScripting/ProgrammingWithCPP/UnrealArchitecture/Objects/Optimizations/index.html#garbagecollection https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/ProgrammingAndScripting/...

qalmakka 6y ago
Sadly, "being fashionable in UNIX circles" is more important than it sounds, because those circles have quite a lot of skilled people, mindshare and staying power and they contribute to lots of critical components that only now are (partially) considering to accept contributions in a different language than C, and that's because that language is Rust (see Linux, GNOME, etc). The refusal of C++ from those "UNIX circles" has led to decades of reinventing the wheel from people that reimplemented all sorts of weird hacks in C for reasons that basically boil down to a strong, unsatiable desire to avoid C++ at all cost (see Glib, Gtk+, etc).

skocznymroczny 6y ago

Rust did a good thing by creating its own niche. D has constantly tried to appeal C++ programmers, implementing features such as better interop with C++ and a lot of advanced template structures. But C++ programmers won't go to D anyway, any language with a GC is dead in C++ programmers' eyes, even if it's reasonable argument or not.