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I think Japan does that. NTT provide physical connection, but you also need a separated contract with ISP. The problem is that everything just become more compl

I think Japan does that. NTT provide physical connection, but you also need a separated contract with ISP. The problem is that everything just become more complex and two side blaming each other when something go wrong.

throw0101a 6y ago
> but you also need a separated contract with ISP. Which is unnecessary: only the 'retail' ISP should really need to talk to the 'wholesale' fibre provider. In fact, in the Ars example, on initial connection, if the fibre has no existing contract, you are sent to a landing page which lists all the available ISPs. Clicking on one (AFAICT) sends you to their order page where you enter your personal/billing information to sign up, and henceforth they are your Layer 3 ISP.
- innocenat 6y ago
  And that would allow people to move ISP easily? In Japan, there are some ISP that bundle the contract (they deal with NTT (the fiber provider) themselves). In that case, if you are moving ISP, you need to re-do the entire contract, including another set-up fee for the fiber line.
  - throw0101a 6y ago
    AFAICT, to switch, you go to your current ISP's portal and click on "cancel". Your fibre drop is then disassociated from them, and then when you reboot your router you get back the "which ISP do you want?" page. Ammon Fibre from the Ars story: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHGhNwzpXLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHGhNwzpXLw The fibre line is pre-existing just like your electrical or natural gas probably is now: there's no re-setting-up that component. You are in a default VLAN that gives you options, and when you sign up the VLAN is changed.
blincoln 6y ago
I used to do this in Seattle with a DSL connection. The physical link was through Qwest (now CenturyLink), but the ISP was Avvanta (formerly blarg.net) so that I could host services from my home. Looks like still offer that option, although I can't imagine a lot of people are signing up for DSL anymore.[1] IIRC, the price difference was enough that only people who really wanted a public IP block out of their home would have done it. [1] http://www.avvanta.com/dsl-century-link/ http://www.avvanta.com/dsl-century-link/

throw0101a 6y ago

> but you also need a separated contract with ISP. Which is unnecessary: only the 'retail' ISP should really need to talk to the 'wholesale' fibre provider. In fact, in the Ars example, on initial connection, if the fibre has no existing contract, you are sent to a landing page which lists all the available ISPs. Clicking on one (AFAICT) sends you to their order page where you enter your personal/billing information to sign up, and henceforth they are your Layer 3 ISP.

innocenat 6y ago
And that would allow people to move ISP easily? In Japan, there are some ISP that bundle the contract (they deal with NTT (the fiber provider) themselves). In that case, if you are moving ISP, you need to re-do the entire contract, including another set-up fee for the fiber line.
- throw0101a 6y ago
  AFAICT, to switch, you go to your current ISP's portal and click on "cancel". Your fibre drop is then disassociated from them, and then when you reboot your router you get back the "which ISP do you want?" page. Ammon Fibre from the Ars story: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHGhNwzpXLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHGhNwzpXLw The fibre line is pre-existing just like your electrical or natural gas probably is now: there's no re-setting-up that component. You are in a default VLAN that gives you options, and when you sign up the VLAN is changed.

blincoln 6y ago

I used to do this in Seattle with a DSL connection. The physical link was through Qwest (now CenturyLink), but the ISP was Avvanta (formerly blarg.net) so that I could host services from my home. Looks like still offer that option, although I can't imagine a lot of people are signing up for DSL anymore.[1] IIRC, the price difference was enough that only people who really wanted a public IP block out of their home would have done it. [1] http://www.avvanta.com/dsl-century-link/ http://www.avvanta.com/dsl-century-link/