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Hi there! If you pay attention to the ratio of pro vs against meritocracy rants in this page you will find some interesting (anec)data. Make your own conclusion

Hi there! If you pay attention to the ratio of pro vs against meritocracy rants in this page you will find some interesting (anec)data. Make your own conclusions!

username90 6y ago
By definition the average person will have mediocre merit so it makes sense that most people are biased against meritocracy.
- crististm 6y ago
  I don't agree with this definition and its conclusions. I am average in a domain but I want competent people around me. I am not against them earning more. What I see is that some people will consider that any type of competence signaled through usual means (e.g. better pay) is in fact corruption and the reason they earn less. You will find many of those people commenting on this post.
jariel 6y ago
We don't need 'anecdotes' we have tons of data. Higher IQ, better academic results correlates with better jobs. That's a very crude, but broad measure of meritocracy. But it's even easier than that: show me people earning $180K developing software who are 'complete idiots'. They don't exist. People who earn more are generally smarter, more conscientious, credentialed. It's basically a ridiculous argument to imply that meritocracy doesn't exist, when it's poignantly the basis of almost everything we do. You might be smarter and more capable than your boss but more broadly speaking it's not the case.
- crististm 6y ago
  I am actually in agreement with you and the meritocracy. My observation is that a disproportionate amount of the comments were from people that do not like meritocracy and are irrationally and hysterically going to argue with you missing the point. They will not be converted. The ones who would know better seem to steer off clear from engaging with incompetent mobs; you will not find them here to have a sane discussion.
- Kim_Bruning 6y ago
  Well, policy in large organizations and especially public policy on the scale of nations is a lot like orbital mechanics. You can head off in a particular direction, but you're going to end up somewhere completely different from where a lot of people might intuitively expect. Since you're looking only at national scale for now: A good measure for people being rewarded based on merit is social mobility. Which countries do you expect to have better social mobility? Countries that have a strong social-democratic element, or countries that are purely capitalist? https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-... If you ever decide to try to implement strict Meritocracy at a smaller scale when actually locally organizing your own local organizations, please let me know; I'll bring popcorn. ;)
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  i think you made a better case for meritocracy than the article itself. the point you made earlier of people who dont ever have visibility of the 'other' always sees only from their pov particularly resonated. it is human nature to find joy with what we have. the projection of the privileged class about what the 'other' lacks is more damaging than any other inequality. it's like someone who is happy with their prius until they saw that they neighbour got a tesla. suddenly, they feel impoverished. now..what do you call the person who walks around the neighbourhood and keeps telling the prius guy that its unfair that the neighbour who is human just like him has a tesla..and why not him! we have more people walking around neighbourhoods spouting opinions sowing seeds of discontent these days. but at the end of the day, the prius guy and tesla guy should ignore the shit stirrer and go on with their lives..driving their own cars to get to their desired destinations.

Hi there! If you pay attention to the ratio of pro vs against meritocracy rants in this page you will find some interesting (anec)data. Make your own conclusions!

username90 6y ago

By definition the average person will have mediocre merit so it makes sense that most people are biased against meritocracy.

crististm 6y ago
I don't agree with this definition and its conclusions. I am average in a domain but I want competent people around me. I am not against them earning more. What I see is that some people will consider that any type of competence signaled through usual means (e.g. better pay) is in fact corruption and the reason they earn less. You will find many of those people commenting on this post.

jariel 6y ago

We don't need 'anecdotes' we have tons of data. Higher IQ, better academic results correlates with better jobs. That's a very crude, but broad measure of meritocracy. But it's even easier than that: show me people earning $180K developing software who are 'complete idiots'. They don't exist. People who earn more are generally smarter, more conscientious, credentialed. It's basically a ridiculous argument to imply that meritocracy doesn't exist, when it's poignantly the basis of almost everything we do. You might be smarter and more capable than your boss but more broadly speaking it's not the case.

crististm 6y ago
I am actually in agreement with you and the meritocracy. My observation is that a disproportionate amount of the comments were from people that do not like meritocracy and are irrationally and hysterically going to argue with you missing the point. They will not be converted. The ones who would know better seem to steer off clear from engaging with incompetent mobs; you will not find them here to have a sane discussion.
Kim_Bruning 6y ago
Well, policy in large organizations and especially public policy on the scale of nations is a lot like orbital mechanics. You can head off in a particular direction, but you're going to end up somewhere completely different from where a lot of people might intuitively expect. Since you're looking only at national scale for now: A good measure for people being rewarded based on merit is social mobility. Which countries do you expect to have better social mobility? Countries that have a strong social-democratic element, or countries that are purely capitalist? https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-... If you ever decide to try to implement strict Meritocracy at a smaller scale when actually locally organizing your own local organizations, please let me know; I'll bring popcorn. ;)
jelliclesfarm 6y ago
i think you made a better case for meritocracy than the article itself. the point you made earlier of people who dont ever have visibility of the 'other' always sees only from their pov particularly resonated. it is human nature to find joy with what we have. the projection of the privileged class about what the 'other' lacks is more damaging than any other inequality. it's like someone who is happy with their prius until they saw that they neighbour got a tesla. suddenly, they feel impoverished. now..what do you call the person who walks around the neighbourhood and keeps telling the prius guy that its unfair that the neighbour who is human just like him has a tesla..and why not him! we have more people walking around neighbourhoods spouting opinions sowing seeds of discontent these days. but at the end of the day, the prius guy and tesla guy should ignore the shit stirrer and go on with their lives..driving their own cars to get to their desired destinations.