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People are hardly working for Google because they want to. People are hardly working in slaughter houses and coal mines because they want to. Feminists I know

People are hardly working for Google because they want to. People are hardly working in slaughter houses and coal mines because they want to. Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, and controlling their bodies time economy is their choice. One would think on this forum that it’s a gradient of statistics and not black and white anecdotes would be more obvious. Exploitation of minors is one thing. Though, I do not see many folks lifting a finger over child political prisoners in rancid cages. So I’m left wondering if exploitation is the real issue or the sex part given cultural norms.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, and controlling their bodies time economy is their choice. Not to dwell on this so much, as my observations of sex workers were those who did it for need rather then pleasure, but what part of 'selling yourself' is empowering? I mean if you like something, like a hobby, you usually don't seek to monetize it if you want keep enjoying it. It seems to cheapen the activity as you start applying different metric than sheer joy as the only goal, and instead look an things through an PNL lens. In fact introducing these metrics is almost always a net negative activity--now in my 30s I've turned almost all of my hobbies, skills and interests into a professional career to the detriment of my pleasure towards it and suffered because I bought into the fake adage of 'never having to work a day' for most of my Life. Whereas it's now become the new normal to view 'feminism' as a preferential distortion of facts and realities in favour of biased outcomes that don't hold up to any scrutiny. I have no problem with sex workers, I've treated them all with the same respect I would with customers in the professional or corporate sectors I've been in and they always remarked how differently I was because of that. But, the truth is I hold almost near disdain for social media 'thots' (male or female) who exploit mentally weak and vulnerable people into giving them money in exchange of attention/sexual exploitation and exploiting Human vulnerability and a need for connection. I think the same applies to these 'feminists' prostitutes and their false narrative because of the obvious level of hypocrisy behind it and its motives is one of obvious extractive relationships with people based on self-interest, vulgar opportunism and having the social inertia to carry on forcing people to buy into that view. > Exploitation of minors is one thing. Though, I do not see many folks lifting a finger over child political prisoners in rancid cages. So I’m left wondering if exploitation is the real issue or the sex part given cultural norms. The Catholic Church still exists, start with questioning why that den of pedophilia is institutionalized in modern Society despite the countless amounts of child rape and exempt from taxation before you go any further. Then you'll see why things like the Epstein-Maxwell sex trafficking of minors is more common than one would care to think. Which again ties to the what I said above about exploitation of vulnerable people.
- what2build 6y ago
  How you can connect a handful of (some college educated) women I know putting their body where they want with men they pick as being anything like a billionaires sex cabal drugging and buying kids from poor parents are at all similar is some Machiavellian effort. Bravo. But since we’re on the subject; maybe put less value into financial trade which is the contemporary value store propping up the exploitation of billionaires. Perhaps buy fewer gadgets that prop up the economy they grift on from the masses agency. Perhaps be more for raising taxes to distribute wealth to communities that can use it if you’re that worried. Above all perhaps avoid centralizing authority over agency in private power. A pattern we keep buying into as a species only to realize it rather makes things worse for the majority. Put your agency into something that tackles artificial social problems (stock values, disposable widgets sold!, not enough money for M4A or community uplift in poor areas) instead of (sad as it may be) human issues that have existed forever, and there’s precious little we can do about it. Even if billionaire sex cabals vanish, are you going to scour the world seeking out every tribal instance? Or are you simply reaching for acceptable semantics from your perspective? In other words: walk the walk when it comes to pushing back against immoral behavior as you see it. Semantic battles here over specific instances are self congratulatory and empty if we’ll simply equivocate away structural changes.
DanBC 6y ago
> Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, Sex work is the only job where you believe the advertising. "I'm selling a little bit of sex because I have such a high sex drive" or "I love sex and I need to fund my way through college" -- they need to say this because most of their punters do not want to buy sex from people who are poor and desperate for money.

Melting_Harps 6y ago

> Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, and controlling their bodies time economy is their choice. Not to dwell on this so much, as my observations of sex workers were those who did it for need rather then pleasure, but what part of 'selling yourself' is empowering? I mean if you like something, like a hobby, you usually don't seek to monetize it if you want keep enjoying it. It seems to cheapen the activity as you start applying different metric than sheer joy as the only goal, and instead look an things through an PNL lens. In fact introducing these metrics is almost always a net negative activity--now in my 30s I've turned almost all of my hobbies, skills and interests into a professional career to the detriment of my pleasure towards it and suffered because I bought into the fake adage of 'never having to work a day' for most of my Life. Whereas it's now become the new normal to view 'feminism' as a preferential distortion of facts and realities in favour of biased outcomes that don't hold up to any scrutiny. I have no problem with sex workers, I've treated them all with the same respect I would with customers in the professional or corporate sectors I've been in and they always remarked how differently I was because of that. But, the truth is I hold almost near disdain for social media 'thots' (male or female) who exploit mentally weak and vulnerable people into giving them money in exchange of attention/sexual exploitation and exploiting Human vulnerability and a need for connection. I think the same applies to these 'feminists' prostitutes and their false narrative because of the obvious level of hypocrisy behind it and its motives is one of obvious extractive relationships with people based on self-interest, vulgar opportunism and having the social inertia to carry on forcing people to buy into that view. > Exploitation of minors is one thing. Though, I do not see many folks lifting a finger over child political prisoners in rancid cages. So I’m left wondering if exploitation is the real issue or the sex part given cultural norms. The Catholic Church still exists, start with questioning why that den of pedophilia is institutionalized in modern Society despite the countless amounts of child rape and exempt from taxation before you go any further. Then you'll see why things like the Epstein-Maxwell sex trafficking of minors is more common than one would care to think. Which again ties to the what I said above about exploitation of vulnerable people.

what2build 6y ago
How you can connect a handful of (some college educated) women I know putting their body where they want with men they pick as being anything like a billionaires sex cabal drugging and buying kids from poor parents are at all similar is some Machiavellian effort. Bravo. But since we’re on the subject; maybe put less value into financial trade which is the contemporary value store propping up the exploitation of billionaires. Perhaps buy fewer gadgets that prop up the economy they grift on from the masses agency. Perhaps be more for raising taxes to distribute wealth to communities that can use it if you’re that worried. Above all perhaps avoid centralizing authority over agency in private power. A pattern we keep buying into as a species only to realize it rather makes things worse for the majority. Put your agency into something that tackles artificial social problems (stock values, disposable widgets sold!, not enough money for M4A or community uplift in poor areas) instead of (sad as it may be) human issues that have existed forever, and there’s precious little we can do about it. Even if billionaire sex cabals vanish, are you going to scour the world seeking out every tribal instance? Or are you simply reaching for acceptable semantics from your perspective? In other words: walk the walk when it comes to pushing back against immoral behavior as you see it. Semantic battles here over specific instances are self congratulatory and empty if we’ll simply equivocate away structural changes.

DanBC 6y ago

> Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, Sex work is the only job where you believe the advertising. "I'm selling a little bit of sex because I have such a high sex drive" or "I love sex and I need to fund my way through college" -- they need to say this because most of their punters do not want to buy sex from people who are poor and desperate for money.