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Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my

by 2ion 6y ago

Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen... The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS does today to non-apple-blessed displays. It's a blurry mess.

eznzt 6y ago
"apple-blessed displays" means "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020", not necessarily screens that were manufactured by apple
- nolok 6y ago
  That's beside the point. There are a lot of non high dpi devices out there. The majority of screens are. Whether it's your personal one (and you can't or don't want to change it) or a professional one (and your company may not want or be able to justify changing dozens of screens), you need to use them. It's possible to display properly and cleanly on them, everyone else does it. It's not as great as on a high dpi obviously, but it's perfectly sevicable for its need. Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. not as in intentionally punishing users, but intentionally not bothering to test their stuff with any third party equipment (excluding the blessed belkin maybe). if I had to distill the apple brand into a single phrase, it would be "my way or the highway". their way might be pretty good if you buy all the way in, but if not, you can go fuck yourself.
  - mr_toad 6y ago
    > Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario. It’s because of cost involved in maintaining the code that can push the hinting through the various layers of the graphics stack. Coupled with Apple’s culture of ditching old technology at the first opportunity.
- yowlingcat 6y ago
  > "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020" As opposed to what other year? Color me naive, but I thought it was supposed to be the function rather than the form that we were supposed to make those kinds of comparisons about. What about a low pixel density is /not/ appropriate to the year 2020?
- colonwqbang 6y ago
  Yeah haha it's not like 1080p is still by far the most common resolution for screens, TVs, projectors that you might need to connect your macbook to.
STRML 6y ago
If you're having color banding, you may need to force RGB on your external monitor [1]. I had to do this a few years ago, it massively improved the picture. That said, I was in disbelief that this was a problem that both was common enough to be all over the Internet, and so involved to fix. Amazes me that OSX doesn't simply have an advanced setting for RGB/YPrPb, and instead requires that you boot into Recovery Mode (!!!) to fix it! 1. https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-external-monitor-display-problem/ https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-externa...
- garaetjjte 6y ago
  That's.. very weird to pick chroma subsampled format by default when RGB or 4:4:4 is available. Anyway, low-dpi screens on macOS are so blurry because it doesn't do font hinting.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    Windows does subsampling by default. The whole point of subsampling is that it looks better than just 4:4:4.
- TurkTurkleton 6y ago
  At least in Big Sur, you can just place the override in /Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides instead of /System/Library/[...]. This may work in earlier versions as well, but it equally wouldn't surprise me if it was only added to Big Sur because of the Signed System Volume thing.
Hammershaft 6y ago
I can vouch that MacOS font rendering really became an eyesore on desktop monitors became after I updated to Catalina. It genuinely results in an inability to parse letters when using certain common fonts, and next to Windows and Linux it is by far the worst of the three.

by 2ion 6y ago

eznzt 6y ago

"apple-blessed displays" means "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020", not necessarily screens that were manufactured by apple

nolok 6y ago
That's beside the point. There are a lot of non high dpi devices out there. The majority of screens are. Whether it's your personal one (and you can't or don't want to change it) or a professional one (and your company may not want or be able to justify changing dozens of screens), you need to use them. It's possible to display properly and cleanly on them, everyone else does it. It's not as great as on a high dpi obviously, but it's perfectly sevicable for its need. Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. not as in intentionally punishing users, but intentionally not bothering to test their stuff with any third party equipment (excluding the blessed belkin maybe). if I had to distill the apple brand into a single phrase, it would be "my way or the highway". their way might be pretty good if you buy all the way in, but if not, you can go fuck yourself.
- mr_toad 6y ago
  > Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario. It’s because of cost involved in maintaining the code that can push the hinting through the various layers of the graphics stack. Coupled with Apple’s culture of ditching old technology at the first opportunity.
yowlingcat 6y ago
> "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020" As opposed to what other year? Color me naive, but I thought it was supposed to be the function rather than the form that we were supposed to make those kinds of comparisons about. What about a low pixel density is /not/ appropriate to the year 2020?
colonwqbang 6y ago
Yeah haha it's not like 1080p is still by far the most common resolution for screens, TVs, projectors that you might need to connect your macbook to.

STRML 6y ago

If you're having color banding, you may need to force RGB on your external monitor [1]. I had to do this a few years ago, it massively improved the picture. That said, I was in disbelief that this was a problem that both was common enough to be all over the Internet, and so involved to fix. Amazes me that OSX doesn't simply have an advanced setting for RGB/YPrPb, and instead requires that you boot into Recovery Mode (!!!) to fix it! 1. https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-external-monitor-display-problem/ https://spin.atomicobject.com/2018/08/24/macbook-pro-externa...

garaetjjte 6y ago
That's.. very weird to pick chroma subsampled format by default when RGB or 4:4:4 is available. Anyway, low-dpi screens on macOS are so blurry because it doesn't do font hinting.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  Windows does subsampling by default. The whole point of subsampling is that it looks better than just 4:4:4.
TurkTurkleton 6y ago
At least in Big Sur, you can just place the override in /Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides instead of /System/Library/[...]. This may work in earlier versions as well, but it equally wouldn't surprise me if it was only added to Big Sur because of the Signed System Volume thing.

Hammershaft 6y ago

I can vouch that MacOS font rendering really became an eyesore on desktop monitors became after I updated to Catalina. It genuinely results in an inability to parse letters when using certain common fonts, and next to Windows and Linux it is by far the worst of the three.