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This is the type of cultural accuracy I've been looking for. Are all the commenters in this thread just cynical engineers who really can't see past their own n

This is the type of cultural accuracy I've been looking for. Are all the commenters in this thread just cynical engineers who really can't see past their own narrow world view? I get snake oil is snake oil, but there is such a strong brand of "anything new must be snake oil" that runs through the HN community it boggles my mind. The world is actually full of complex systems. And only once these systems are in place does the software engineer get to do his work! People on this site act as if they have all the understanding and knowledgeable necessary to decry something like cloud vendors because clearly these same people know better than everyone else and these are actually simple problems if only we had their perspective and knowledge. The ego and arrogance of people in tech really shines through here.

papaf 6y ago
People on this site act as if they have all the understanding and knowledgeable necessary to decry something like cloud vendors because clearly these same people know better than everyone else and these are actually simple problems if only we had their perspective and knowledge. A 1000 times this. These are solved problems. Anything new has to be better to be taken seriously.
- mlthoughts2018 6y ago
  Exactly, which points out how much better cloud tools are (given the level of seriousness most organizations are applying to them).
nocman 6y ago
> there is such a strong brand of "anything new must be snake oil" that runs through the HN community. I would say there's at least as strong a "brand" of "if it is a new way it is probably a better way" on HN as well. I think making blanket assumptions in either direction is a terrible idea. Best to be aware of your own biases, and try to be as objective as you can in your decisions. Experience matters, and there are new solutions that are inferior to older ones in many cases (yes, there is plenty of "snake oil" for sale). However, sometimes new people look at an old problem with fresh eyes and come up with better ideas on how to solve it. This really isn't anything new. When I was fresh out of college I remember older programmers talking about "such-and-such" is just the old way of doing it repackaged. There is lots of oscillation in the computer industry.
1337shadow 6y ago
> The ego and arrogance of people in tech really shines through here. You mean, "the ego and arrogance required to bend code and machines to their will and not the other way around". Maybe try to pass that and learn a thing or two.

papaf 6y ago

People on this site act as if they have all the understanding and knowledgeable necessary to decry something like cloud vendors because clearly these same people know better than everyone else and these are actually simple problems if only we had their perspective and knowledge. A 1000 times this. These are solved problems. Anything new has to be better to be taken seriously.

mlthoughts2018 6y ago
Exactly, which points out how much better cloud tools are (given the level of seriousness most organizations are applying to them).

nocman 6y ago

> there is such a strong brand of "anything new must be snake oil" that runs through the HN community. I would say there's at least as strong a "brand" of "if it is a new way it is probably a better way" on HN as well. I think making blanket assumptions in either direction is a terrible idea. Best to be aware of your own biases, and try to be as objective as you can in your decisions. Experience matters, and there are new solutions that are inferior to older ones in many cases (yes, there is plenty of "snake oil" for sale). However, sometimes new people look at an old problem with fresh eyes and come up with better ideas on how to solve it. This really isn't anything new. When I was fresh out of college I remember older programmers talking about "such-and-such" is just the old way of doing it repackaged. There is lots of oscillation in the computer industry.

1337shadow 6y ago

> The ego and arrogance of people in tech really shines through here. You mean, "the ego and arrogance required to bend code and machines to their will and not the other way around". Maybe try to pass that and learn a thing or two.