I guess. But then Anthos, Arc, EKS Anywhere, they're all horizontal, and so it's odd that they are also all run by the cloud providers themselves. I'd think tho

I guess. But then Anthos, Arc, EKS Anywhere, they're all horizontal, and so it's odd that they are also all run by the cloud providers themselves. I'd think those services would be the next layer, run by different companies. Still, what you said is right. I mean, heroku still exists, but the ever present complaints are that it's too expensive at scale and that it is too constraining. So, maybe the vertical is the best approach.