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Someone who earns 500K a year and who wants to be taxed more isn’t the problem. They are a principled social democrat. A thing that a country like the US coul

Someone who earns 500K a year and who wants to be taxed more isn’t the problem. They are a principled social democrat. A thing that a country like the US could use more of. People who look out for themselves and their family only and who wants to make public goods into a voluntarist thing through charities are the problem. They are of no use to anyone except their immediates and are only holding progress back.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
I am not a flaggelist. You must have confused me with someone who would be affected by what you wrote. I don’t expect to carry everyone’s burden because I don’t suffer from a Saviour Complex. I believe in human beings ability to be resilient and survive against odds. By themselves. YMMV.
jelliclesfarm 6y ago
Also: do you really expect people to live in penury or ignore their ‘immediates’ to deliver more taxes to a govt that has proven itself to be inept again and again and again showing no transparency, accountability or efficiency. That’s just daft. Who really dumps their money voluntarily to the taxman when your family..your friends..your neighbors needs and suffering can be alleviated with immediate results. I literally have no more words for you.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  > Who really dumps their money voluntarily to the taxman when your family..your friends..your neighbors needs and suffering can be alleviated with immediate results. The question I think you are asking is, "If you give your money to the government, you don't know where it goes. Perhaps it is wasted. If you give it to people you know need it locally, you can have immediate results. Why push for the former?" If I've understood you correctly, that's a totally valid question, and it's one I think about quite a bit. I could, for instance, really focus on helping people in my immediate area. I could buy a lot of meals for a lot of people. But ultimately, I think I can achieve more by organizing. If I can spend some money on mutual aid to help out some folks locally, and spend some on building coalitions and participating in collective action, I think I ultimately achieve more.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    You could organize those who want to contribute voluntarily. A tax is mandatory. Example: We have a homelessness industrial complex in California. Our taxes go more towards paying activists and those who work with the homeless rather than building homes. The only way to get rid of homelessness is to build homes. It’s not like you can talk your way out of street living with talk therapy. While a portion need help..all of them need to be off of the streets. When California shows some results, I will consider supporting more taxation.
    - Pfhreak 6y ago
      You and I agree here. Build homes. Use tax money to build and operate housing. (Don't do the shitty American thing where you spend on the capital budget but not the operational budget.) We also need crisis intervention, counseling, drug programs, and support.
      - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        There has to be three streams. Housing those who need to get a job/reskill/can’t work. Another for medical intervention. And the third is rehab for addiction issues. This would be the largest group. I want to share more re problem statement/solution strategy..but a little busy now. I hope to revisit this at some other time. I just have to find it for a quick cut and paste from where I had written earlier. Cheers.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

I am not a flaggelist. You must have confused me with someone who would be affected by what you wrote. I don’t expect to carry everyone’s burden because I don’t suffer from a Saviour Complex. I believe in human beings ability to be resilient and survive against odds. By themselves. YMMV.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

Also: do you really expect people to live in penury or ignore their ‘immediates’ to deliver more taxes to a govt that has proven itself to be inept again and again and again showing no transparency, accountability or efficiency. That’s just daft. Who really dumps their money voluntarily to the taxman when your family..your friends..your neighbors needs and suffering can be alleviated with immediate results. I literally have no more words for you.

Pfhreak 6y ago
> Who really dumps their money voluntarily to the taxman when your family..your friends..your neighbors needs and suffering can be alleviated with immediate results. The question I think you are asking is, "If you give your money to the government, you don't know where it goes. Perhaps it is wasted. If you give it to people you know need it locally, you can have immediate results. Why push for the former?" If I've understood you correctly, that's a totally valid question, and it's one I think about quite a bit. I could, for instance, really focus on helping people in my immediate area. I could buy a lot of meals for a lot of people. But ultimately, I think I can achieve more by organizing. If I can spend some money on mutual aid to help out some folks locally, and spend some on building coalitions and participating in collective action, I think I ultimately achieve more.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  You could organize those who want to contribute voluntarily. A tax is mandatory. Example: We have a homelessness industrial complex in California. Our taxes go more towards paying activists and those who work with the homeless rather than building homes. The only way to get rid of homelessness is to build homes. It’s not like you can talk your way out of street living with talk therapy. While a portion need help..all of them need to be off of the streets. When California shows some results, I will consider supporting more taxation.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    You and I agree here. Build homes. Use tax money to build and operate housing. (Don't do the shitty American thing where you spend on the capital budget but not the operational budget.) We also need crisis intervention, counseling, drug programs, and support.
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      There has to be three streams. Housing those who need to get a job/reskill/can’t work. Another for medical intervention. And the third is rehab for addiction issues. This would be the largest group. I want to share more re problem statement/solution strategy..but a little busy now. I hope to revisit this at some other time. I just have to find it for a quick cut and paste from where I had written earlier. Cheers.