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> You can survive without working, although your existence will likely be miserable. That entirely depends on your socio-economic class. I know a lot of rich k
by djrobstep 6y ago
> You can survive without working, although your existence will likely be miserable.
That entirely depends on your socio-economic class. I know a lot of rich kids that do no work but live very easy, pleasant lives.
> They have a choice, but the choice is unpleasant. That is not the same as no choice.
A mugger tells me to hand over my watch or get shot. Choice or not choice?
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago> A mugger tells me to hand over my watch or get shot. Choice or not choice? Choice, of course.
- djrobstep 6y agoSo taxation is voluntary? You'll upset a lot of libertarians with that attitude!
- chordalkeyboard 6y agoLibertarians use "voluntary" to refer to a situation absent coercion. Taxation is prima facie coercive so we would just debate semantics if I went that route.
- djrobstep 6y agoYou just said that "hand over your watch or get shot" is choice. So then is "hand over your tax or go to prison", yes?
- chordalkeyboard 6y agoI said that libertarians use "voluntary" to refer to a situation that doesn't involve coercion. I did not say that a coerced individual had no choice in the matter. Why would anyone bother to coerce someone who had no choices?
- djrobstep 6y agoCoercion implies lack of free choice. That's what it is. A mugging is coercive precisely because the alternative choice (getting shot) is not meaningful.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago> Coercion implies lack of free choice. That's what it is. "free choice" != "choice" "choice" != "voluntary" I mentioned semantics for a reason. > A mugging is coercive precisely because the alternative choice (getting shot) is not meaningful. Its not really desirable but neither is it wholly without meaning. Some things are worth dying for. For some people increasing the cost of robbery to murder for their assailant is one of those things.