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This is also a false Argument, as even moving from the US does not absolve you of US Taxation, even if you renounce your citizenship in some cases they take yo

by syshum 6y ago

This is also a false Argument, as even moving from the US does not absolve you of US Taxation, even if you renounce your citizenship in some cases they take your past, current and future wealth in taxes This is aside from the fact that is a clear logical fallacy [1] [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s

Apocryphon 6y ago
It’s actually a clear point- there is no nation on earth without a government that will provide you with services that you will disagree with. There are degrees of disagreement, so people do choose to move to one that fits their comfort level. But you seem to be making the case that this principle is completely disagreeable, and so you disagree with the social contract completely. Which is ludicrous. So indeed, you can’t leave- because unless you move to no man’s land and set up your own government, you will always be betrayed by your own principle, no matter what country you live under.
- syshum 6y ago
  >>But you seem to be making the case that this principle is completely disagreeable, and so you disagree with the social contract completely. No, I just do not accept the idea that the terms of the "Social Contract" can be changed on the whims of a Majority / democracy, or worse on the whims of an elected officials I believe in the Lockean principle of natural rights, on which I believe the terms of said social contract are written and are unchangeable I believe what Authoritarian Democrats and Republicans call the "social contract" is a complete perversion of the concept in order to justify their own unethical power driven political ends.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    What you’re disagreeing with is also how every single nation functions. By all means, people can disagree with the specifics of how different governments function, but what you’re describing is something common to every polity. Even despotates claim to rule by a theoretical consent of the oppressed.

by syshum 6y ago

Apocryphon 6y ago

It’s actually a clear point- there is no nation on earth without a government that will provide you with services that you will disagree with. There are degrees of disagreement, so people do choose to move to one that fits their comfort level. But you seem to be making the case that this principle is completely disagreeable, and so you disagree with the social contract completely. Which is ludicrous. So indeed, you can’t leave- because unless you move to no man’s land and set up your own government, you will always be betrayed by your own principle, no matter what country you live under.

syshum 6y ago
>>But you seem to be making the case that this principle is completely disagreeable, and so you disagree with the social contract completely. No, I just do not accept the idea that the terms of the "Social Contract" can be changed on the whims of a Majority / democracy, or worse on the whims of an elected officials I believe in the Lockean principle of natural rights, on which I believe the terms of said social contract are written and are unchangeable I believe what Authoritarian Democrats and Republicans call the "social contract" is a complete perversion of the concept in order to justify their own unethical power driven political ends.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  What you’re disagreeing with is also how every single nation functions. By all means, people can disagree with the specifics of how different governments function, but what you’re describing is something common to every polity. Even despotates claim to rule by a theoretical consent of the oppressed.