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Isn't that what's meant to happen? If your kid starts talking about converting to Islam and becoming a jihadist, surely parents should alert the authorities. Th

by tobbob 6y ago

Isn't that what's meant to happen? If your kid starts talking about converting to Islam and becoming a jihadist, surely parents should alert the authorities. The interesting thing is why that wasn't the example they used, given it's the biggest extremist threat the UK faces by a country mile.

hertzrat 6y ago
Depends. Imagine doing so and having him or her be marked for life over a parents overreaction. Kid could end up on every no fly list in the world overnight and never fly their whole lives. The parents surely worry about these things, especially if they think the person will grow out of it. In any case, I can’t imagine how stressful it must be for those parents
- radu_floricica 6y ago
  That's on the government not to do idiotic things. True, they often do, but acting as if everything they do may be one is a pretty big fallacy. Soon you'll end up jaywalking because you're sure you know better.
  - jen20 6y ago
    > acting as if everything they do may be [idiotic] is a pretty big fallacy. Have you not... seen... the UK government in action in the last 5 years?
  - twolegsbetter 6y ago
    I jaywalk. I wouldn't turn in a relative or friend based on suspicions. Because I don't trust the incentives that law enforcement has coincide in any way with mine.
scoot_718 6y ago
Because UKIP is a larger organisation
blablabla123 6y ago
Converting to Islam seems legit to me, I have doubts though the kid is still living at the same place with the parents once it became a jihadist. To me this seems like a well-intended idea from the UK but it's not how reality works. I would even go so far and argue that people develop and engage in extremist views only once they have actually broken ties to any 'normal' people. That said, all documentaries I remember watching about the topic, e.g. the people who did the 9/11 attacks, they were basically living solitude lives, and extremists were welcoming them with open arms.
aaomidi 6y ago
This is such a privileged take though. Law enforcement...and basically a good portion of the population are at complete odds with eachother. I'm good fam. We don't need China's report your neighbors bullshit. Also, converting to Islam isn't an "extremist" thing. Thanks.
- tharkun__ 6y ago
  I find it interesting how I got down voted for pointing out the same thing as you basically (just you did it with regards to China's report your neighbor program, while I pointed towards East Germany's report your neighbor and family program). Now I totally get why I was down voted because obviously what East Germany and by extension the Russians did there was obviously bad and the UK has legitimate reasons and no ill intentions. After all its terrorism, right? But look at it from a different perspective and it quickly becomes quite different. The East German state actors would have seen themselves exactly as the UK does now, completely in the right because they definitely are trying to find terrorists that are trying to undermine the East German state. From there on it's a slippery slope and no doubts that the two are quite different cases in the end. But there's way too many parallels and if you want to tell me that there's not way too much potential for abuse, be my guest. In case it was for lack of references here you go everyone: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi Unlike China where this is current we have access to the "internals" with the Stasi and Germans can request their "Stasi Akte" (their Stasi case file to see what info the state had on them back when). If you're into theatrical documentary style instead try to find a copy of "The Lives of Others" to watch: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others
cyberdelica 6y ago
> Isn't that what's meant to happen? If your kid starts talking about converting to Islam and becoming a jihadist, surely parents should alert the authorities. Err..., definitely not. I would hope most parents have a word with the child instead, and certainly not because the child is interested in Islam, as others have also stated. I find this thinking rather bizarre, to be honest - dobbing your own children in to the authorities, for thought crime.

by tobbob 6y ago

hertzrat 6y ago

Depends. Imagine doing so and having him or her be marked for life over a parents overreaction. Kid could end up on every no fly list in the world overnight and never fly their whole lives. The parents surely worry about these things, especially if they think the person will grow out of it. In any case, I can’t imagine how stressful it must be for those parents

radu_floricica 6y ago
That's on the government not to do idiotic things. True, they often do, but acting as if everything they do may be one is a pretty big fallacy. Soon you'll end up jaywalking because you're sure you know better.
- jen20 6y ago
  > acting as if everything they do may be [idiotic] is a pretty big fallacy. Have you not... seen... the UK government in action in the last 5 years?
- twolegsbetter 6y ago
  I jaywalk. I wouldn't turn in a relative or friend based on suspicions. Because I don't trust the incentives that law enforcement has coincide in any way with mine.

scoot_718 6y ago

Because UKIP is a larger organisation

blablabla123 6y ago

Converting to Islam seems legit to me, I have doubts though the kid is still living at the same place with the parents once it became a jihadist. To me this seems like a well-intended idea from the UK but it's not how reality works. I would even go so far and argue that people develop and engage in extremist views only once they have actually broken ties to any 'normal' people. That said, all documentaries I remember watching about the topic, e.g. the people who did the 9/11 attacks, they were basically living solitude lives, and extremists were welcoming them with open arms.

aaomidi 6y ago

This is such a privileged take though. Law enforcement...and basically a good portion of the population are at complete odds with eachother. I'm good fam. We don't need China's report your neighbors bullshit. Also, converting to Islam isn't an "extremist" thing. Thanks.

tharkun__ 6y ago
I find it interesting how I got down voted for pointing out the same thing as you basically (just you did it with regards to China's report your neighbor program, while I pointed towards East Germany's report your neighbor and family program). Now I totally get why I was down voted because obviously what East Germany and by extension the Russians did there was obviously bad and the UK has legitimate reasons and no ill intentions. After all its terrorism, right? But look at it from a different perspective and it quickly becomes quite different. The East German state actors would have seen themselves exactly as the UK does now, completely in the right because they definitely are trying to find terrorists that are trying to undermine the East German state. From there on it's a slippery slope and no doubts that the two are quite different cases in the end. But there's way too many parallels and if you want to tell me that there's not way too much potential for abuse, be my guest. In case it was for lack of references here you go everyone: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi Unlike China where this is current we have access to the "internals" with the Stasi and Germans can request their "Stasi Akte" (their Stasi case file to see what info the state had on them back when). If you're into theatrical documentary style instead try to find a copy of "The Lives of Others" to watch: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others

cyberdelica 6y ago

> Isn't that what's meant to happen? If your kid starts talking about converting to Islam and becoming a jihadist, surely parents should alert the authorities. Err..., definitely not. I would hope most parents have a word with the child instead, and certainly not because the child is interested in Islam, as others have also stated. I find this thinking rather bizarre, to be honest - dobbing your own children in to the authorities, for thought crime.