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"Authoritative collectivist monocultures"...That sounds like you're insulting them three times over :) You could call them sensible, mature, selfless societies

by leg100 6y ago

"Authoritative collectivist monocultures"...That sounds like you're insulting them three times over :) You could call them sensible, mature, selfless societies. Either way one cuts it, the UK is neither.

vmception 6y ago
That requires a lot of assumptions Authoritative: I don't consider less-inclusive political systems worse. They have best, average and worse cases, where the problem is that they get worst case many times over. A benevolent dictatorship is capable of getting the best case results, the predictable threat is that their replacement will not be capable of stewarding resources the same way. Whereas more inclusive political systems get average case results more reliably and it is practically impossible to get a best case result with a lot of energy continually necessary to avoid worst case results. Collectivist: I don't consider collectivist to be a pejorative term and don't know of any context where it is. You picked a synonym, selfless. Monoculture: Just a fact of life. Where monocultures help them be able to predict what their neighbor does and trust that result, then large-scale immediate coordination without the state is easy. It isn't impossible for a multicultural society to achieve the same benefits, its also not happening. Unlike others that might use this word, I am not making any statement on a preferred living arrangement.
- leg100 6y ago
  > I don't consider collectivist to be a pejorative term and don't know of any context where it is. You picked a synonym, selfless. Oh I don't know, socialism scares republican voters shitless, I wouldn't be surprised if collectivism did too.
  - vmception 6y ago
    Okay. These words are not inherently insults regardless of how allergic other people are to adjectives. All good though.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
      when a word is indeed "not inherently [an] insult", but is a de facto one for millions of people, I'm not clear what is gained by pointing out dictionary definitions or alternative reactions to the term.
      - vmception 6y ago
        Its clear that it wasn't an insult because I said so multiple times specifically to clear up any ambiguity. That’s the point.
randmeerkat 6y ago
China is a sensible, mature, selfless society? I’m sure the Uighurs would have opinions that differ. Also let’s not forget Tiananmen Square and what those students would say.

by leg100 6y ago

vmception 6y ago

That requires a lot of assumptions Authoritative: I don't consider less-inclusive political systems worse. They have best, average and worse cases, where the problem is that they get worst case many times over. A benevolent dictatorship is capable of getting the best case results, the predictable threat is that their replacement will not be capable of stewarding resources the same way. Whereas more inclusive political systems get average case results more reliably and it is practically impossible to get a best case result with a lot of energy continually necessary to avoid worst case results. Collectivist: I don't consider collectivist to be a pejorative term and don't know of any context where it is. You picked a synonym, selfless. Monoculture: Just a fact of life. Where monocultures help them be able to predict what their neighbor does and trust that result, then large-scale immediate coordination without the state is easy. It isn't impossible for a multicultural society to achieve the same benefits, its also not happening. Unlike others that might use this word, I am not making any statement on a preferred living arrangement.

leg100 6y ago
> I don't consider collectivist to be a pejorative term and don't know of any context where it is. You picked a synonym, selfless. Oh I don't know, socialism scares republican voters shitless, I wouldn't be surprised if collectivism did too.
- vmception 6y ago
  Okay. These words are not inherently insults regardless of how allergic other people are to adjectives. All good though.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
    when a word is indeed "not inherently [an] insult", but is a de facto one for millions of people, I'm not clear what is gained by pointing out dictionary definitions or alternative reactions to the term.
    - vmception 6y ago
      Its clear that it wasn't an insult because I said so multiple times specifically to clear up any ambiguity. That’s the point.

randmeerkat 6y ago

China is a sensible, mature, selfless society? I’m sure the Uighurs would have opinions that differ. Also let’s not forget Tiananmen Square and what those students would say.