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I've worked on titles going through LotCheck and TCR (now known as XR if I'm not mistaken), I'm perfectly aware of how verification goes. I never implied that

I've worked on titles going through LotCheck and TCR (now known as XR if I'm not mistaken), I'm perfectly aware of how verification goes. I never implied that it's about bugs that suck for the player, in fact I said the opposite: "Usually the requirements are things that would reflect badly on the console like locking up and crashing vs "not being a fun game" or something." --- What I'm saying is I'm aware of what Cyberpunk 2077 means to these companies, especially with the timing in relation to new consoles and the holidays. 2077 is the kind of game that moves units. I'm very specific in the wording of my comment, it's not that games normally ever get a pass, and it is a standard checklist... but I also know Sony and MS giving CDPR wiggle room not out of selflessness, but out of "psuedo-necessity", doesn't sound impossible. I'm not saying it's common just because you have a AAA title, but 2077 comes across as the "perfect storm" to see this happen.

BoorishBears 6y ago
Here you go actually, straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/for-the-good-of-the-industry-can-sony-and-xbox-please-clarify-their-cyberpunk-2077-returns-policy/ https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/for-the-good-of-the-indu... > [Update] It looks as though CDPR bypassed some of the TRC process, promising the platforms it would be fixed for launch, but that doesn’t change the fact that both platforms have a legal responsibility to their consumers to provide a usable product. “In terms of the certification process and the third parties – this is definitely on our side. I can only assume that they trusted that we’re going to fix things upon release, and that obviously did not come together exactly as we had planned,” said Michał Nowakowski at CDPR in a conference call. https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/12/call-transcript_en.pdf https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/12/c... The rules are different if you're important enough, I think that is just be expected at this point.
- cableshaft 6y ago
  Fair enough. We were never very big, but I assumed it was the bare minimum of what was needed in order to pass and the manufacturers wouldn't give out exceptions that easily, if at all. That's pretty annoying that they secured a pass but then didn't do as they promised (I realize it's not always that easy when it comes to programming, but still). I'm glad CDPR are getting punished for their rash decision in the marketplace and their stock price, at least, even though they're still probably going to end up making a ton of money off the game and their developers are still going to be crunched to death for little reward. I think it reflects badly on Sony as well, but less so.

BoorishBears 6y ago

Here you go actually, straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/for-the-good-of-the-industry-can-sony-and-xbox-please-clarify-their-cyberpunk-2077-returns-policy/ https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/for-the-good-of-the-indu... > [Update] It looks as though CDPR bypassed some of the TRC process, promising the platforms it would be fixed for launch, but that doesn’t change the fact that both platforms have a legal responsibility to their consumers to provide a usable product. “In terms of the certification process and the third parties – this is definitely on our side. I can only assume that they trusted that we’re going to fix things upon release, and that obviously did not come together exactly as we had planned,” said Michał Nowakowski at CDPR in a conference call. https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/12/call-transcript_en.pdf https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/12/c... The rules are different if you're important enough, I think that is just be expected at this point.

cableshaft 6y ago
Fair enough. We were never very big, but I assumed it was the bare minimum of what was needed in order to pass and the manufacturers wouldn't give out exceptions that easily, if at all. That's pretty annoying that they secured a pass but then didn't do as they promised (I realize it's not always that easy when it comes to programming, but still). I'm glad CDPR are getting punished for their rash decision in the marketplace and their stock price, at least, even though they're still probably going to end up making a ton of money off the game and their developers are still going to be crunched to death for little reward. I think it reflects badly on Sony as well, but less so.