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Honestly, I fantasize about a California with population levels pre-Gold-Rush, pre-Dust-Bowl and pre-Silicon-Valley.

• chaostheory 6y ago
  Why not just move to a place like Idaho or Wyoming instead? You can have it right now instead of dreaming about it.
  • atomi 6y ago
    _You_ go to Idaho and Wyoming. California is our state.
    • chaostheory 6y ago
      I’m sorry, but you have me confused with someone else who is fantasizing about “a California with population levels pre-Gold-Rush, pre-Dust-Bowl and pre-Silicon-Valley”. I wasn’t being sarcastic with my previous comment
      • atomi 6y ago
        My qualms are more with the demographic changes these massive migrations brought. Just very greedy overly ambitious and pretentious people. To me they make terrible neighbors and have zero regard for the land, nature or the people here. Some I assume are good people but I haven't met any.
        • chaostheory 6y ago
          So you’re a Native American who’s lived in the times before these massive migrations?
          • atomi 6y ago
            Do you actually mean Californio? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californios https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californios
            • chaostheory 6y ago
              Ok. Are you a Californio old enough to remember Silicon Valley when it was mostly farmland? You’d have to be around 70-80 years old right? If we’re talking about the conquistadors, can’t we lump them in with “Just very greedy overly ambitious and pretentious people”? They weren’t kind to the indigenous people. Even slavery wasn’t out of the question.
              • atomi 6y ago
                > conquistadors This is the type of ignorance I'm talking about. The first people to colonize California were mestizo and mulato - generations after the conquistadores in Mexico.
                • chaostheory 6y ago
                  No. You’re wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_Californ... “Prior to contact with Europeans, the California region contained the highest Native American population density north of what is now Mexico.“ Native Americans settled in California 19,000 years ago or earlier, at least 18,500 years before the arrival of the conquistadors. Given your own ignorance of history, I really doubt you’re even old enough to remember Silicon Valley when it was just a bunch of orchards. If you really want to live in a place similar to California before Silicon Valley, there are plenty of states within the US that can offer that experience right now. You don’t need patience, you just need courage to experience it; that is of course if you were pining for less development and population density. Reading what you’ve previously written again, if what you really wanted was ethnic purity (which I misread as wanting to live in less developed areas) then I have other words for you. That type of post is not welcome on HN
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