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Does it matter? The NYT is not as relevant as it was in the near past, nevermind a generation or two ago. And the NYT has no standard for peer review, and in t

Does it matter? The NYT is not as relevant as it was in the near past, nevermind a generation or two ago. And the NYT has no standard for peer review, and in the digital age routinely edits its works after publication without any discernible changelog. See the 1619 scandal.

zarkov99 6y ago
It does matter. The NY has actually grown its subscriber base during the Trump years and remains a major cultural force. Witness the immediate take down of Pornhub after a single article in the NYT, after conservative activists had spent years railing the exact same issue. For better of for worst, mostly for worst, the NYT remains a powerful force, long after it lost any semblance of journalistic integrity.
- rgovostes 6y ago
  > any semblance of journalistic integrity First sentence of the article: > The New York Times has retracted the core of its hit 2018 podcast series Caliphate after an internal review found the paper failed to heed red flags Clearly it would have been better for them to have done their jobs correctly in the first place, but in what way are they not displaying journalistic integrity in this instance? Their retraction of a 2-year-old story was on their homepage (below the fold) yesterday. Mistakes are inevitable (though in this case avoidable). Owning up to publishing something erroneous is the way you display journalistic integrity. I'll trust what you tell me today, if I can trust you to tell me the details you got wrong tomorrow.
  - vntok 6y ago
    > an internal review Yeah that's their spin on the story, the reality is that they got busted though.
    - rgovostes 6y ago
      Several years ago, Rolling Stone published story about a rape that allegedly occurred at a University of Virginia fraternity. It was the Washington Post and not Rolling Stone themselves that discovered holes in the story. But Rolling Stone owned up to it and engaged the Columbia School of Journalism to investigate the lapses in their reporting and fact-checking processes, resulting in a damning report which RS published in a subsequent issue. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-stone-and-uva-the-columbia-university-graduate-school-of-journalism-report-44930/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-st... I don't expect NYT to be perpetually fact checking stories after publication, but when they "get busted," I absolutely expect them to re-investigate and publish their findings.
      - listenallyall 6y ago
        Rolling Stone absolutely did not "own up to it," they repeatedly tried to minimize the damage the article had done to the individuals and groups portrayed in it, and further, even after the Columbia report, stood by all its editors, fact-checkers, and even the writer herself! A good summary: https://web.archive.org/web/20150410094429/http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-06/rolling-stone-can-t-even-apologize-right https://web.archive.org/web/20150410094429/http://www.bloomb...
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    > Their retraction of a 2-year-old story was on their homepage (below the fold) yesterday. Ultimately, whether she stays on their payroll is the decider for me as to whether they have journalistic integrity. I was discussing this with my parents (both former editors of major publications) who have had to fire people for creating composite characters like this. The lack of basic fact checking, followed up by attacking the Canadian authorities [0] once it started to come to light that the story was untrue is very unsavory. I think this should be career-ending. [0]: https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1309620500176556032 https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1309620500176556032
- bigyikes 6y ago
  I’m not sure if that take down says more about the NYT or the current levels of political polarization.
jumelles 6y ago
The Times is still pretty much THE newspaper in the US, if not the English-speaking world.
- macinjosh 6y ago
  I would emphasize NEWSPAPER instead of the 'the'. Not many folks reading newspapers these days.

zarkov99 6y ago

It does matter. The NY has actually grown its subscriber base during the Trump years and remains a major cultural force. Witness the immediate take down of Pornhub after a single article in the NYT, after conservative activists had spent years railing the exact same issue. For better of for worst, mostly for worst, the NYT remains a powerful force, long after it lost any semblance of journalistic integrity.

rgovostes 6y ago
> any semblance of journalistic integrity First sentence of the article: > The New York Times has retracted the core of its hit 2018 podcast series Caliphate after an internal review found the paper failed to heed red flags Clearly it would have been better for them to have done their jobs correctly in the first place, but in what way are they not displaying journalistic integrity in this instance? Their retraction of a 2-year-old story was on their homepage (below the fold) yesterday. Mistakes are inevitable (though in this case avoidable). Owning up to publishing something erroneous is the way you display journalistic integrity. I'll trust what you tell me today, if I can trust you to tell me the details you got wrong tomorrow.
- vntok 6y ago
  > an internal review Yeah that's their spin on the story, the reality is that they got busted though.
  - rgovostes 6y ago
    Several years ago, Rolling Stone published story about a rape that allegedly occurred at a University of Virginia fraternity. It was the Washington Post and not Rolling Stone themselves that discovered holes in the story. But Rolling Stone owned up to it and engaged the Columbia School of Journalism to investigate the lapses in their reporting and fact-checking processes, resulting in a damning report which RS published in a subsequent issue. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-stone-and-uva-the-columbia-university-graduate-school-of-journalism-report-44930/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-st... I don't expect NYT to be perpetually fact checking stories after publication, but when they "get busted," I absolutely expect them to re-investigate and publish their findings.
    - listenallyall 6y ago
      Rolling Stone absolutely did not "own up to it," they repeatedly tried to minimize the damage the article had done to the individuals and groups portrayed in it, and further, even after the Columbia report, stood by all its editors, fact-checkers, and even the writer herself! A good summary: https://web.archive.org/web/20150410094429/http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-06/rolling-stone-can-t-even-apologize-right https://web.archive.org/web/20150410094429/http://www.bloomb...
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  > Their retraction of a 2-year-old story was on their homepage (below the fold) yesterday. Ultimately, whether she stays on their payroll is the decider for me as to whether they have journalistic integrity. I was discussing this with my parents (both former editors of major publications) who have had to fire people for creating composite characters like this. The lack of basic fact checking, followed up by attacking the Canadian authorities [0] once it started to come to light that the story was untrue is very unsavory. I think this should be career-ending. [0]: https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1309620500176556032 https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1309620500176556032
bigyikes 6y ago
I’m not sure if that take down says more about the NYT or the current levels of political polarization.

jumelles 6y ago

The Times is still pretty much THE newspaper in the US, if not the English-speaking world.

macinjosh 6y ago
I would emphasize NEWSPAPER instead of the 'the'. Not many folks reading newspapers these days.