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The issue is the 'progressive' nature of the tax code. Everyone could be taxed at the same rate and the 'rich' would still pay the most in tax dollars. The only

by beezle 6y ago

The issue is the 'progressive' nature of the tax code. Everyone could be taxed at the same rate and the 'rich' would still pay the most in tax dollars. The only reason ever given for why the 'rich' should pay a higher tax rate is 'because they can afford to.' Which then leads to tax code legislative loopholes to try to offset the excess taxation and then more resentment when those loopholes are used to shelter income.

notacoward 6y ago
> The only reason ever given Not true. I just gave another reason - to offset the built-in drivers of disparity. Transfers between wealth and income (i.e. labor) always favor the wealth holder. It's the very nature of capital, part of what makes it so great but also with not-so-great consequences that must be compensated for. The problem is not the progressivity of taxation, but the fact that it's primarily on the wrong thing - income and consumption instead of wealth.
- eloff 6y ago
  I think economists universally agree income tax is suboptimal. I'm not sure if a wealth tax is the answer. Personally I'd like to see taxes on negative things. Taxes invariably have the effect of discouraging the thing taxed. Which is why taxing income sucks. Let's tax pollution, traffic congestion, advertisements, and social media. Ok, well the last two are half joking.
  - notacoward 6y ago
    I agree, actually. "Tax bads, not goods" as saying goes. However, as a practical matter I don't think a pure Pigovian approach could ever fly. Overhead and enforcement issues would sink it. A hybrid approach with most revenue from land-value and value-added taxes gets pretty close and is fairly straightforward to administer. Not saying we shouldn't tax those other things, but that wouldn't be a huge percentage of revenue.
    - eloff 6y ago
      Yeah land tax and VAT are quite practical possibilities. I'm still hopeful for a Carbon tax. I think I'd be more likely of seeing that in Saudi Arabia before the USA though with the political climate being what it is.
    - fortran77 6y ago
      The most logical thing, then, would be to tax obesity. The obese cost us several trillion dollars because of COVID. (If it weren't for the obese, our hospitals would have had capacity, and there would have been no need for shutdown.) Get on the scale and pay your taxes! https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19/ https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19/
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by beezle 6y ago

notacoward 6y ago

> The only reason ever given Not true. I just gave another reason - to offset the built-in drivers of disparity. Transfers between wealth and income (i.e. labor) always favor the wealth holder. It's the very nature of capital, part of what makes it so great but also with not-so-great consequences that must be compensated for. The problem is not the progressivity of taxation, but the fact that it's primarily on the wrong thing - income and consumption instead of wealth.

eloff 6y ago
I think economists universally agree income tax is suboptimal. I'm not sure if a wealth tax is the answer. Personally I'd like to see taxes on negative things. Taxes invariably have the effect of discouraging the thing taxed. Which is why taxing income sucks. Let's tax pollution, traffic congestion, advertisements, and social media. Ok, well the last two are half joking.
- notacoward 6y ago
  I agree, actually. "Tax bads, not goods" as saying goes. However, as a practical matter I don't think a pure Pigovian approach could ever fly. Overhead and enforcement issues would sink it. A hybrid approach with most revenue from land-value and value-added taxes gets pretty close and is fairly straightforward to administer. Not saying we shouldn't tax those other things, but that wouldn't be a huge percentage of revenue.
  - eloff 6y ago
    Yeah land tax and VAT are quite practical possibilities. I'm still hopeful for a Carbon tax. I think I'd be more likely of seeing that in Saudi Arabia before the USA though with the political climate being what it is.
  - fortran77 6y ago
    The most logical thing, then, would be to tax obesity. The obese cost us several trillion dollars because of COVID. (If it weren't for the obese, our hospitals would have had capacity, and there would have been no need for shutdown.) Get on the scale and pay your taxes! https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19/ https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/06/01/david-kass-obesity-covid-19/
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