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While this article is about Facebook. It is clear to me this is a fight of who gets to sell to me: either Apple or someone else. As long as Apple is disclosing

While this article is about Facebook. It is clear to me this is a fight of who gets to sell to me: either Apple or someone else. As long as Apple is disclosing the same information in their apps as they are forcing FB to do. Meh.

rgovostes 6y ago
Not sure if you have used macOS or iOS lately but for [edit: two years] now—and well before this public spat with Facebook—they show a privacy disclosure splash screen before turning on many features for the first time. And yes, the Apple apps in the App Store have the nutrition labels. These apps and some system features also go through the same dialogs for mic/camera/photos/etc. access as third-party apps. They also wrote an extensive webpage with several whitepapers on how different features are designed for privacy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/features/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/features/ Apple's own advertising network, iAd, was discontinued, and now as far as I know the only way they are involved in paid advertising of third-party products at all is through App Store search result placement.
- st1x7 6y ago
  > at least a year now (...) they show a privacy disclosure splash screen before turning on many features for the first time. This has been the case from the start of the Apple App Store. Here is a 3 minute video of Steve Jobs talking about it in 2010 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo (Zuckerberg comes up too funnily enough).
  - rgovostes 6y ago
    I was referring to these, introduced two years ago in iOS 11.3: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/01/26/apple-privacy-icon-example/ https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/01/26/apple-privacy-icon-... I think you are referring to the "Allow Facebook to use your location?" pop-ups. Notably, these have gotten progressively more sophisticated—apps now have to specify a reason for the data request. You can block access to backgrounded apps, and opt to provide a coarse location instead of your full GPS fix. Other protections apply to photo sharing, etc.
zepto 6y ago
What are you talking about? Apple doesn’t sell your personal data. And this has nothing to do with what is disclosed - both Apple and Facebook are disclosing what they collect.
- neodymiumphish 6y ago
  Google doesn't either, but that doesn't make them as safe. In fact, I think there is very little data that Facebook sells or makes available to partners, since that data collection and analysis is where they make themselves marketable. Apple is only different in what they don't collect, and what they do to prevent others from collecting, too.
  - sosborn 6y ago
    Well, that and the fact that although Google doesn't sell data to third parties, it has certainly monetized that data and built their business off of it.
  - zepto 6y ago
    “Apple is only different in what they don't collect“. This seems essentially false. Facebook makes almost all of its money out of targeting ads based on user profiling. Also true for Google. Apple makes none of its money that way. Apple is the same as almost all businesses in this regard.

rgovostes 6y ago

Not sure if you have used macOS or iOS lately but for [edit: two years] now—and well before this public spat with Facebook—they show a privacy disclosure splash screen before turning on many features for the first time. And yes, the Apple apps in the App Store have the nutrition labels. These apps and some system features also go through the same dialogs for mic/camera/photos/etc. access as third-party apps. They also wrote an extensive webpage with several whitepapers on how different features are designed for privacy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/features/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/features/ Apple's own advertising network, iAd, was discontinued, and now as far as I know the only way they are involved in paid advertising of third-party products at all is through App Store search result placement.

st1x7 6y ago
> at least a year now (...) they show a privacy disclosure splash screen before turning on many features for the first time. This has been the case from the start of the Apple App Store. Here is a 3 minute video of Steve Jobs talking about it in 2010 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iKLwlUqBo (Zuckerberg comes up too funnily enough).
- rgovostes 6y ago
  I was referring to these, introduced two years ago in iOS 11.3: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/01/26/apple-privacy-icon-example/ https://www.idownloadblog.com/2018/01/26/apple-privacy-icon-... I think you are referring to the "Allow Facebook to use your location?" pop-ups. Notably, these have gotten progressively more sophisticated—apps now have to specify a reason for the data request. You can block access to backgrounded apps, and opt to provide a coarse location instead of your full GPS fix. Other protections apply to photo sharing, etc.

zepto 6y ago

What are you talking about? Apple doesn’t sell your personal data. And this has nothing to do with what is disclosed - both Apple and Facebook are disclosing what they collect.

neodymiumphish 6y ago
Google doesn't either, but that doesn't make them as safe. In fact, I think there is very little data that Facebook sells or makes available to partners, since that data collection and analysis is where they make themselves marketable. Apple is only different in what they don't collect, and what they do to prevent others from collecting, too.
- sosborn 6y ago
  Well, that and the fact that although Google doesn't sell data to third parties, it has certainly monetized that data and built their business off of it.
- zepto 6y ago
  “Apple is only different in what they don't collect“. This seems essentially false. Facebook makes almost all of its money out of targeting ads based on user profiling. Also true for Google. Apple makes none of its money that way. Apple is the same as almost all businesses in this regard.