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Good it'll build peoples immune system. The toxic chemicals from the smoke is definitely a problem but the microbes? When we become a country of hypochondriac

Good it'll build peoples immune system. The toxic chemicals from the smoke is definitely a problem but the microbes? When we become a country of hypochondriacs? Edit: The modern media is having a field day exploiting peoples misunderstanding of statistical likelihood to drum up all kinds of nightmares and terrors in peoples minds that have existed since the dawn of mankind but are now suddenly something to be terrified of. And people who just follow along with whatever the mainstream says.. are eating it up.

wolco2 6y ago
Not in the way you understand. Bacterial infections can be deadly. This would stress out human biome defenses and change biomes in some cases increasing in lysogenic bacterial strains. It's not the same as eating dirt.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  I'm not going to approach your strawman about eating dirt. I'm just going to say this: There's microbes constantly in the air around you at all times that you're constantly inhaling, on every surface you touch, everywhere you go, every person you interact with. Billions or Trillions of different strains you encounter daily. Your skin is covered in microbes at all times. Your body has more microbes inside of it than it's own cells(google it). At any point you could have a reaction to one of these but you don't because of your immune system. Some people who have weak immune systems or are susceptible can have problems. BUT this is hugely statistically unlikely. So for the media to be drumming up fears of microbes in the air is disengenuous and for people to be falling for it is truly something and says alot about the state of modern scientific education.
  - wolco2 6y ago
    There is a mix in the area that have helped create your biome. Now go into an area with decomposing bodies. The additional bacteria load will overwhelm most. It's a little more complex qnd the way you explain it is how I would introduce the topic to my child. You may have billions of bacteria but if you introduce billions of different types you may not have the bacteriophages to deal with those types and your body may produce these as a defense (or not if your immune system is weak) but what happens in many cases your body may kill off beneficial bacteria and that gets replaced with a similiar but non-beneficial bacteria and because the phages changed you can't get back. We see this with fluoroquinolone antibiotics[1] Davies EV, Winstanley C, Fothergill JL, James CE. The role of temperate bacteriophages in bacterial infection. FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2016;363(5):fnw015. doi: 10.1093/femsle/fnw015
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      The chance of any of what you're saying happening... is infinitesimally small. I'm sorry that it makes you scared and fearful. It upsets me that the media takes advantage of people's poor understanding of biology and statistics.
jacobolus 6y ago
Did you read it? > Take, for instance, the fungus genus Coccidioides, whose species live in soil. When a fire tears through a landscape, it disturbs the soil both directly, by chewing it up with flames, but also indirectly: All that hot, rising air creates an atmospheric void near the surface, and more air rushes in from the sides to fill it. This can produce fierce winds that scour the earth, aerosolizing the fungi. > When firefighters inhale this rotten air, the fungi can lead to a condition called coccidioidomycosis, or valley fever, with symptoms including fever and shortness of breath. The condition may progress to cause pneumonia or meningitis, an infection of tissues surrounding the brain and spinal cord. (Infection by another fungus genus called Cryptococcus, also a concern in wildfire smoke, leads to similar symptoms.) Coccidioidomycosis is common enough among firefighters that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention considers the profession at-risk for the fungal infection.
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- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Is every day like the movie Final Destination for you?
1-6 6y ago
I miss the days when fireplaces and campfires were commonplace. Now you can’t even gather brushwood at “protected” campsites without facing penalties. Campers are actually helping to clear out tinder. They’re not loggers.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  The insidious whittling away of our freedoms in the 'name of safety' in modern times and fearful people's support of it.. is truly something to behold.
  - snypher 6y ago
    Ah yes, the freedom to burn down a forest for the freedom to have a gender reveal party. Freedoms comes with responsibility, and a lot of people don't have either.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      Was it the gender reveal party? Forest fires are natural and happen all the time and are part of natural cycles of the forest. What kind of forest management was happening to allow the fire to get that massive in the first place? So you have government restricting freedoms to stop people from making mistakes created by the government in the first place. Not a great pro-government argument.
- vwcx 6y ago
  Generally campsites do not need the small-scale timber “clearing” that happens when humans go camping and look for firewood for their small fires. All that ends up happening is a brutal macro-deforestation in the 100 yard radius of the site. The “protection” is to stop idiots from cutting every sapling in sight, which really does nothing to reduce that forest’s overall composition and fire risk.
  - captainredbeard 6y ago
    Are people truly dumb enough to try and burn just-cut green wood?

wolco2 6y ago

Not in the way you understand. Bacterial infections can be deadly. This would stress out human biome defenses and change biomes in some cases increasing in lysogenic bacterial strains. It's not the same as eating dirt.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
I'm not going to approach your strawman about eating dirt. I'm just going to say this: There's microbes constantly in the air around you at all times that you're constantly inhaling, on every surface you touch, everywhere you go, every person you interact with. Billions or Trillions of different strains you encounter daily. Your skin is covered in microbes at all times. Your body has more microbes inside of it than it's own cells(google it). At any point you could have a reaction to one of these but you don't because of your immune system. Some people who have weak immune systems or are susceptible can have problems. BUT this is hugely statistically unlikely. So for the media to be drumming up fears of microbes in the air is disengenuous and for people to be falling for it is truly something and says alot about the state of modern scientific education.
- wolco2 6y ago
  There is a mix in the area that have helped create your biome. Now go into an area with decomposing bodies. The additional bacteria load will overwhelm most. It's a little more complex qnd the way you explain it is how I would introduce the topic to my child. You may have billions of bacteria but if you introduce billions of different types you may not have the bacteriophages to deal with those types and your body may produce these as a defense (or not if your immune system is weak) but what happens in many cases your body may kill off beneficial bacteria and that gets replaced with a similiar but non-beneficial bacteria and because the phages changed you can't get back. We see this with fluoroquinolone antibiotics[1] Davies EV, Winstanley C, Fothergill JL, James CE. The role of temperate bacteriophages in bacterial infection. FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2016;363(5):fnw015. doi: 10.1093/femsle/fnw015
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    The chance of any of what you're saying happening... is infinitesimally small. I'm sorry that it makes you scared and fearful. It upsets me that the media takes advantage of people's poor understanding of biology and statistics.

jacobolus 6y ago

Did you read it? > Take, for instance, the fungus genus Coccidioides, whose species live in soil. When a fire tears through a landscape, it disturbs the soil both directly, by chewing it up with flames, but also indirectly: All that hot, rising air creates an atmospheric void near the surface, and more air rushes in from the sides to fill it. This can produce fierce winds that scour the earth, aerosolizing the fungi. > When firefighters inhale this rotten air, the fungi can lead to a condition called coccidioidomycosis, or valley fever, with symptoms including fever and shortness of breath. The condition may progress to cause pneumonia or meningitis, an infection of tissues surrounding the brain and spinal cord. (Infection by another fungus genus called Cryptococcus, also a concern in wildfire smoke, leads to similar symptoms.) Coccidioidomycosis is common enough among firefighters that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention considers the profession at-risk for the fungal infection.

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nickthemagicman 6y ago
Is every day like the movie Final Destination for you?

1-6 6y ago

I miss the days when fireplaces and campfires were commonplace. Now you can’t even gather brushwood at “protected” campsites without facing penalties. Campers are actually helping to clear out tinder. They’re not loggers.

nickthemagicman 6y ago
The insidious whittling away of our freedoms in the 'name of safety' in modern times and fearful people's support of it.. is truly something to behold.
- snypher 6y ago
  Ah yes, the freedom to burn down a forest for the freedom to have a gender reveal party. Freedoms comes with responsibility, and a lot of people don't have either.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Was it the gender reveal party? Forest fires are natural and happen all the time and are part of natural cycles of the forest. What kind of forest management was happening to allow the fire to get that massive in the first place? So you have government restricting freedoms to stop people from making mistakes created by the government in the first place. Not a great pro-government argument.
vwcx 6y ago
Generally campsites do not need the small-scale timber “clearing” that happens when humans go camping and look for firewood for their small fires. All that ends up happening is a brutal macro-deforestation in the 100 yard radius of the site. The “protection” is to stop idiots from cutting every sapling in sight, which really does nothing to reduce that forest’s overall composition and fire risk.
- captainredbeard 6y ago
  Are people truly dumb enough to try and burn just-cut green wood?