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I suppose that refusal came in the form of an NDA, but even so is that actually enforceable? Seems to me this whole debacle essentially amounts to false adverti

by mstade 6y ago

I suppose that refusal came in the form of an NDA, but even so is that actually enforceable? Seems to me this whole debacle essentially amounts to false advertising, and if reviewers failed to mention that the thing doesn't actually do what it says on the tin but claims otherwise, are they not in some way complicit? I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea but I'm genuinely wondering whether a studio actually can order reviewers to stay quiet about such fundamental issues? Sure they can blackball the reviewer from future releases, but who cares if what they produce is crap anyway?

hh3k0 6y ago
> […] and if reviewers failed to mention that the thing doesn't actually do what it says on the tin but claims otherwise, are they not in some way complicit? CDPR didn't provide PS4/XBOX versions for review until the day of release, afaik.
elevader 6y ago
They most likely can't but reviewers basically depend on the goodwill of the publishers in order to get pre-release copies for early reviews. If they don't get them they will simply loose out on money (reviewing the game 1-2 weeks after everybody else already did so is kind of pointless) and I'd guess a reviewer would risk getting essentially blacklisted by the whole industry as there is no reason to assume that a reviewer would uphold one NDA but not the other. Game publishers also tend to advertise their content on said review sites and youtube channels so that would be another income stream gone.
- mstade 6y ago
  All of what you say makes sense to me, but one thing still bugs me – is it not true that reviewers live and die by their reputation? If they brown nose publishers to not lose out on first mover advantage, to the point where they’re essentially aiding and abetting a bait-n-switch, does that not hurt their standing with the consumers of their reviews? Aren’t they in the trust business? Are their revenue streams so dependent on the good will and reach of publishers that essentially they are forced to be shills? I genuinely have no idea how this works, but it sure does seem odd to me. I’m still curious about what potential legal ramifications there might be for a reviewer saying a product is great when in reality it doesn’t even work, and they know it.
  - elevader 6y ago
    It's true that reputation and trust matter - at least they should. I guess it comes down to the question if a large enough portion of consumers actually know and care about this stuff and would be willing to reward a more open/honest approach enough to actually keep a business running. It might ultimately mean that consumers would have to reward a site/channel that doesn't actually review product X - kind of hard to make a living on that when most revenue ist ad/click based. There might be smaller outlets/youtube channels that do exactly that and use patreon or similar support channels but the bigger sites apparently don't want to bet on that. There was some sort of attempt by consumers to highlight these issues a few years ago but that was completely curbstomped by the gamergate shitshow.
Hamuko 6y ago
The console versions not being reviewed was a matter of no review codes being sent. Media were able to request review codes for all platforms, but they only sent PC review codes. The part that was covered by an embargo was that you were not allowed to use your own video footage - only the publisher-provided B-roll was allowed. VentureBeat had a good article about the whole thing. https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/16/cd-projekt-red-risked-the-reputations-of-others-to-insulate-cyberpunk-2077/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/16/cd-projekt-red-risked-the...

by mstade 6y ago

hh3k0 6y ago

> […] and if reviewers failed to mention that the thing doesn't actually do what it says on the tin but claims otherwise, are they not in some way complicit? CDPR didn't provide PS4/XBOX versions for review until the day of release, afaik.

elevader 6y ago

They most likely can't but reviewers basically depend on the goodwill of the publishers in order to get pre-release copies for early reviews. If they don't get them they will simply loose out on money (reviewing the game 1-2 weeks after everybody else already did so is kind of pointless) and I'd guess a reviewer would risk getting essentially blacklisted by the whole industry as there is no reason to assume that a reviewer would uphold one NDA but not the other. Game publishers also tend to advertise their content on said review sites and youtube channels so that would be another income stream gone.

mstade 6y ago
All of what you say makes sense to me, but one thing still bugs me – is it not true that reviewers live and die by their reputation? If they brown nose publishers to not lose out on first mover advantage, to the point where they’re essentially aiding and abetting a bait-n-switch, does that not hurt their standing with the consumers of their reviews? Aren’t they in the trust business? Are their revenue streams so dependent on the good will and reach of publishers that essentially they are forced to be shills? I genuinely have no idea how this works, but it sure does seem odd to me. I’m still curious about what potential legal ramifications there might be for a reviewer saying a product is great when in reality it doesn’t even work, and they know it.
- elevader 6y ago
  It's true that reputation and trust matter - at least they should. I guess it comes down to the question if a large enough portion of consumers actually know and care about this stuff and would be willing to reward a more open/honest approach enough to actually keep a business running. It might ultimately mean that consumers would have to reward a site/channel that doesn't actually review product X - kind of hard to make a living on that when most revenue ist ad/click based. There might be smaller outlets/youtube channels that do exactly that and use patreon or similar support channels but the bigger sites apparently don't want to bet on that. There was some sort of attempt by consumers to highlight these issues a few years ago but that was completely curbstomped by the gamergate shitshow.

Hamuko 6y ago

The console versions not being reviewed was a matter of no review codes being sent. Media were able to request review codes for all platforms, but they only sent PC review codes. The part that was covered by an embargo was that you were not allowed to use your own video footage - only the publisher-provided B-roll was allowed. VentureBeat had a good article about the whole thing. https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/16/cd-projekt-red-risked-the-reputations-of-others-to-insulate-cyberpunk-2077/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/16/cd-projekt-red-risked-the...