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Star Trek doesn't really show a post-scarcity society. See Kirk's apartment in SF. He's clearly got an apartment with a view of the bay around the 30th floor of

Star Trek doesn't really show a post-scarcity society. See Kirk's apartment in SF. He's clearly got an apartment with a view of the bay around the 30th floor of some building. Others don't get the view or the 30th floor since the both are scarce. So are positions like "being the captain". Replicators might lift everyone out of poverty but the won't change how people feel about others using their creative works.

cma 6y ago
Star Trek had lots of episodes based on public domain mythology and literature. Brother Grimm fairy tales Disney fairy tales were based on were almost newer to them at the time than those old Disney movies are now.
ben_w 6y ago
Bad example as that could’ve been a holographic view. Better would be the episode of Voyager where the Doctor’s holo-novel ends up in a legal dispute after they make contact with the Federation and he looks for a publisher, but the publisher publishes it without his permission and tries to argue he’s not a person and has no author rights. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Author,_Author_(episode) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Author,_Author_(episode...
TeMPOraL 6y ago
"Post-scarcity" doesn't mean nothing ever is scarce - that's impossible to achieve (simply because humans can invent new categories of things to want). "Post-scarcity" means all the things you need to survive, plus a good chunk of the things you'd reasonably want, are so cheap to make or in such abundance, that they become effectively free and unlimited. Thanks to fusion power and matter replicators, that is the case for humans in Star Trek universe. The behavior of companies owning Star Trek IP stands in stark contrast with the values preached by the show. It's not just fictional post-scarcity vs. real-life market economy; the IP owners are aggressively and self-destructively greedy (much like the Ferengi of Star Trek). It's sad to watch, really - Star Trek has an extremely dedicated and creative fanbase that could be endlessly monetized if given a modicum of consideration. Instead, fan contributions are terminated with extreme prejudice. Yes, I'm still sour about how they treated Stage9 - a fan recreation of the entire Enterprise-D in Unreal Engine. See [0], [1] for some visuals. CBS lawyers killed this, because of course they did. Would they lose money because of this project? Nope. Would they make money because of it? Sure, through renewed interest. They could've done a number of things, including officially subcontracting the developers and selling the work officially. But they didn't, they killed it. And they'll never produce anything that even comes close to this. -- [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM2dEEulBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM2dEEulBk [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wpO8ONYm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wpO8ONYm8
- gfxgirl 6y ago
  The problem of someone using something someone else created will not go away in the post scarcity society. The issue is not money. The issues are fame, recognition, moral rights (https://www.jasrac.or.jp/ejhp/copyright/person.html https://www.jasrac.or.jp/ejhp/copyright/person.html) etc... There's a reason even "free licenses" have a "No Derivatives" option https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ Removing money (post scarcity) will not change that many authors don't want their creations re-used without their consent.
  - dafoex 6y ago
    Creative Commons themselves say that "No Derivatives" licences are not approved for free culture in the licence builder tool.

cma 6y ago

Star Trek had lots of episodes based on public domain mythology and literature. Brother Grimm fairy tales Disney fairy tales were based on were almost newer to them at the time than those old Disney movies are now.

ben_w 6y ago

Bad example as that could’ve been a holographic view. Better would be the episode of Voyager where the Doctor’s holo-novel ends up in a legal dispute after they make contact with the Federation and he looks for a publisher, but the publisher publishes it without his permission and tries to argue he’s not a person and has no author rights. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Author,_Author_(episode) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Author,_Author_(episode...

TeMPOraL 6y ago

"Post-scarcity" doesn't mean nothing ever is scarce - that's impossible to achieve (simply because humans can invent new categories of things to want). "Post-scarcity" means all the things you need to survive, plus a good chunk of the things you'd reasonably want, are so cheap to make or in such abundance, that they become effectively free and unlimited. Thanks to fusion power and matter replicators, that is the case for humans in Star Trek universe. The behavior of companies owning Star Trek IP stands in stark contrast with the values preached by the show. It's not just fictional post-scarcity vs. real-life market economy; the IP owners are aggressively and self-destructively greedy (much like the Ferengi of Star Trek). It's sad to watch, really - Star Trek has an extremely dedicated and creative fanbase that could be endlessly monetized if given a modicum of consideration. Instead, fan contributions are terminated with extreme prejudice. Yes, I'm still sour about how they treated Stage9 - a fan recreation of the entire Enterprise-D in Unreal Engine. See [0], [1] for some visuals. CBS lawyers killed this, because of course they did. Would they lose money because of this project? Nope. Would they make money because of it? Sure, through renewed interest. They could've done a number of things, including officially subcontracting the developers and selling the work officially. But they didn't, they killed it. And they'll never produce anything that even comes close to this. -- [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM2dEEulBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAM2dEEulBk [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wpO8ONYm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8wpO8ONYm8

gfxgirl 6y ago
The problem of someone using something someone else created will not go away in the post scarcity society. The issue is not money. The issues are fame, recognition, moral rights (https://www.jasrac.or.jp/ejhp/copyright/person.html https://www.jasrac.or.jp/ejhp/copyright/person.html) etc... There's a reason even "free licenses" have a "No Derivatives" option https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ Removing money (post scarcity) will not change that many authors don't want their creations re-used without their consent.
- dafoex 6y ago
  Creative Commons themselves say that "No Derivatives" licences are not approved for free culture in the licence builder tool.