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I think it's unlikely to be an isolated incident, 20 years from now we'll be reading stories about the CCP listening to every zoom call in the world for years.

I think it's unlikely to be an isolated incident, 20 years from now we'll be reading stories about the CCP listening to every zoom call in the world for years. (Just the same as the CIA did with Crypto AG[1]) They were routing all calls such that the CCP could listen to them. [2] They lied about calls being End-To-End encrypted. [3] Zoom was founded by a Chinese national and all of their development is done in China. [4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG [2] https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto-a-quick-look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-fast-roll-your-own-crypto... [3] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-zoom-plans-to-better-secure-meetings-with-end-to-end-encryption/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-zoom-plans-to-bette... [4] https://technode.com/2020/04/13/is-zoom-crazy-to-count-on-chinese-rd/ https://technode.com/2020/04/13/is-zoom-crazy-to-count-on-ch...

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
I'm willing to bet that the events described here will not be a mortal blow to Zoom, whether the event is isolated or only semi-isolated. To make it concrete, their market cap will still be above $10B on Jan 1 2022. I'll put up to $20 on it, to a non-religious charity of your choice. If you want to take the other side of that bet let me know.
- pstrateman 6y ago
  You're completely avoiding the question of whether this is an isolated incident or not. I have no doubt people are stupid enough to continue using 'Video Conferencing by the CCP'(tm pending). That just means they're dumb.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
    The question I'm most interested in is the one where the individual at the top of the thread suggested this would be a mortal blow to Zoom. It won't. Nit picking about exactly how isolated this is does not change how few of Zoom's customers are or will ever be affected.
solidsnack9000 6y ago
Even if they are not an isolated incident, the Crypto AG story suggests the company could carry on for quite some time.

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

I'm willing to bet that the events described here will not be a mortal blow to Zoom, whether the event is isolated or only semi-isolated. To make it concrete, their market cap will still be above $10B on Jan 1 2022. I'll put up to $20 on it, to a non-religious charity of your choice. If you want to take the other side of that bet let me know.

pstrateman 6y ago
You're completely avoiding the question of whether this is an isolated incident or not. I have no doubt people are stupid enough to continue using 'Video Conferencing by the CCP'(tm pending). That just means they're dumb.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
  The question I'm most interested in is the one where the individual at the top of the thread suggested this would be a mortal blow to Zoom. It won't. Nit picking about exactly how isolated this is does not change how few of Zoom's customers are or will ever be affected.

solidsnack9000 6y ago

Even if they are not an isolated incident, the Crypto AG story suggests the company could carry on for quite some time.