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Go move there, please have fun with a genocidal surveillance state. > If you want to stop the virus from rebounding you have to eradicate it completely. I don

Go move there, please have fun with a genocidal surveillance state. > If you want to stop the virus from rebounding you have to eradicate it completely. I don’t care about micromanaging a respiratory virus. Let people manage risk given the circumstances of their life. In the US that is the right of every citizen. Unless of course you’re part of the rich managerial class that wants to micromanage the lives of people you view below you, too dumb to evaluate the circumstances of their own lives. It’s gobsmacking that we’re told you must “be ruthless” in order to be empathetic. Like I said, if Chinese authoritarianism is appealing, I implore you to move, obviously you have no reason to be here.

jasonlaramburu 6y ago
> Let people manage risk given the circumstances of their life. I believe that taking extra steps to help others is the most ‘American’ value we have. What you propose is only selfish. I lost a close family member to COVID. Her death was entirely preventable with sensible policy. I encourage you to be empathetic and consider how your naive attitude might change if that happened to you.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  There’s children committing suicide over lockdown. Peoples’ livelihoods are destroyed. You’re talking about “sensible policies” but then reference China as though welding people in their houses is just common sense. Every “enlightened” country in Europe that people reference otherwise for their political benefit has fared poorly. This is not even remotely as straightforward and one-sided as you’re presenting it. The moralistic attitude about “selfishness” is just an extension of the Puritanical instinct of Progressive ideology. It’s a strange authoritarian impulse that resents anyone who’s not constantly aggrieved or devoted to some technocratic utopian vision where everyone’s sacrificing themselves for the cause. Traditionally the conservatives were the censorious grumps who wanted to control everyone’s immoral profligate lifestyle, but now it’s the norm on the left - blaming every ill of society on the wickedness and sinful ways of people who disagree with them politically.
  - jasonlaramburu 6y ago
    No. It’s an extremely contagious airborne virus that many people don’t even know they have. By staying home you help reduce transmission and the deaths of others. The countries that didn’t do this have more death.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      > By staying home you help reduce transmission and the deaths of others. This is not a science based belief. You spread the virus when you’re sick, generally noticeably so - coughing, etc. We don’t even have strong evidence of this being strongly spread with asymptomatic people. Anyone that’s not rich cannot afford to stay home. They have family to feed and unfortunately to people above a certain income level, they interpret this as being “selfish.”
      - jasonlaramburu 6y ago
        Wrong. COVID-19 is most contagious in the first 5 days after infection. Symptomatic and asymptomatic people have the same viral load. Source: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19...
        gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Strangely the Chinese you esteem so highly found no transmission to close contacts of asymptomatic people. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w.pdf
        jasonlaramburu 6y ago
        « The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown. » Strict lockdowns don’t work right?

jasonlaramburu 6y ago

> Let people manage risk given the circumstances of their life. I believe that taking extra steps to help others is the most ‘American’ value we have. What you propose is only selfish. I lost a close family member to COVID. Her death was entirely preventable with sensible policy. I encourage you to be empathetic and consider how your naive attitude might change if that happened to you.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
There’s children committing suicide over lockdown. Peoples’ livelihoods are destroyed. You’re talking about “sensible policies” but then reference China as though welding people in their houses is just common sense. Every “enlightened” country in Europe that people reference otherwise for their political benefit has fared poorly. This is not even remotely as straightforward and one-sided as you’re presenting it. The moralistic attitude about “selfishness” is just an extension of the Puritanical instinct of Progressive ideology. It’s a strange authoritarian impulse that resents anyone who’s not constantly aggrieved or devoted to some technocratic utopian vision where everyone’s sacrificing themselves for the cause. Traditionally the conservatives were the censorious grumps who wanted to control everyone’s immoral profligate lifestyle, but now it’s the norm on the left - blaming every ill of society on the wickedness and sinful ways of people who disagree with them politically.
- jasonlaramburu 6y ago
  No. It’s an extremely contagious airborne virus that many people don’t even know they have. By staying home you help reduce transmission and the deaths of others. The countries that didn’t do this have more death.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    > By staying home you help reduce transmission and the deaths of others. This is not a science based belief. You spread the virus when you’re sick, generally noticeably so - coughing, etc. We don’t even have strong evidence of this being strongly spread with asymptomatic people. Anyone that’s not rich cannot afford to stay home. They have family to feed and unfortunately to people above a certain income level, they interpret this as being “selfish.”
    - jasonlaramburu 6y ago
      Wrong. COVID-19 is most contagious in the first 5 days after infection. Symptomatic and asymptomatic people have the same viral load. Source: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19...
      - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
        Strangely the Chinese you esteem so highly found no transmission to close contacts of asymptomatic people. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w.pdf
        jasonlaramburu 6y ago
        « The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown. » Strict lockdowns don’t work right?