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Circumcision is another big one which used to be widely purported to have some positive health effects.
by pcthrowaway 6y ago
Circumcision is another big one which used to be widely purported to have some positive health effects.
- ReactiveJelly 6y agoI'm against circumcision because foreskin can be used to make a vagina, if your baby boy turns 18 and decides to be a woman instead. It's part of my "Weird hills to die on Grand Tour" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_(male-to-female)#Genital_surgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery_(male...
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- markdown 6y agoNot because genital mutilation of children is just barbaric?
- patja 6y agoThe US CDC (Center for Disease Control) currently recommends male circumcision for positive health effects.
- notRobot 6y agoYes, but almost all of the studies referenced in the guidelines took place in Africa, where proper genital hygiene and sex-ed is not taught. If you teach your kids to properly clean under the foreskin, circumcision largely loses its advantages.
- krspykrm 6y agoThat's kinda the point - the healthcare bureaucracy is up to its ears in precisely this kind of bullshit. The "studies" demonstrating the beneficial properties of circumcision are often backed by groups with obvious biases (eg, Jewish or Islamic religious groups) and almost never mention the possibility (and likely correct explanation) that the causality behind the improved health correlation goes the other way: healthy people are simply more likely to be circumcised (more likely to be from or join a religion that values cleanliness, restricted sexual behavior, etc.), rather than circumcision itself causing improved health.
- gambiting 6y agoHow surprising that in a country where cutting off parts of baby infants is culturally acceptable, the national associations recommend it. Its just shocking to me that anyone can defend the practice, health benefits or not.
- dkarbayev 6y agoI've read that one of the positive sides of it is hygiene.
- mrslave 6y agoIf you cut off your arms will you no longer have to wash your armpits?
- saurik 6y agoSomeone did a great short story of a society where everyone got their fingernails removed for this reason (as an analogy to circumcision).
- benibela 6y agoApparently, in the UK many people used to have their teeth removed when marrying.
- gambiting 6y agoNot just UK , and not just when marrying. If you could afford it, removing all your teeth before 30 was a great idea, since a rotting tooth and the subsequent infection would most likely kill you. So it just increased your chances.
- alpaca128 6y agoWashing regularly also helps hygiene. As a bonus it doesn't require cutting off a body part according to the suggestions of a fairy tale. Circumcision for hygiene is a bit like shaving your whole head so you don't need to use shampoo(Edit: with the difference that hair can actually grow back and doesn't have countless sensitive nerve endings).
- bawolff 6y agoBut are they placebo based health effects? Placebo does not just mean an effect that is questionable or might not be present.
- tsimionescu 6y agoPlacebo is a name for procedures and drugs that have no direct effect. They might have indirect effects, such as alleviating anxiety by convincing the patient that you are taking care of them. Or, it might just be indirect effects where people try to be helpful and report some improvement in their conditions, even if none has occurred. Or, it might just be reporters fudging the data to support the medicine's effectiveness. They may also change patient behavior through effects such as 'sunk cost' or more complex ones, like circumcision possibly reducing sexual pleasure, therefore decreasing the chance of risky sexual behavior. But there is 0 evidence of placebos having actual positive effects aprt from the first one about subjective symptoms.
- WA 6y agoThat’s why the "effect" of placebos is highest in every study about pain (which is highly subjective). A placebo never stops a virus infection, although you might feel like it helps a bit.
- aaron695 6y agoWHO and the UN agree it does have positive health effects - https://www.who.int/teams/global-hiv-programme/hiv-prevention/voluntary-medical-male-circumcision https://www.who.int/teams/global-hiv-programme/hiv-preventio...