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"more deadly" does not necessarily mean more deaths in this case. If it kills like ebola more folks could take it seriously ultimately resulting in lower transm

"more deadly" does not necessarily mean more deaths in this case. If it kills like ebola more folks could take it seriously ultimately resulting in lower transmission and death rates.

the-pigeon 6y ago
In particular, when COVID19 was first spreading but we knew about it back in February countries could've easily contact traced to flush it out and then quarantined all incoming travelers to keep it out. But most countries deemed those actions too extreme and economically damaging so instead let it come spread and do way more damage.
- drcross 6y ago
  What you're proposing is highly experimental and probably wouldn't work. There's no single country in the world that has been able to restrain the sars2 virus despite spending millions trying to do so.
  - wahern 6y ago
    Other than Australia, China, New Zealand, and Vietnam, you mean? And China managed that after it had already spread widely domestically; the others were quick on their feet.
    - sacks2k 6y ago
      China welded people into their homes, forced people into the hospital at gun point, and disappeared any doctor that actually wanted to warn the world about it back in December. There was also a recent document leaked that told us what many already suspected: they lied about their numbers. This isn't much of a surprise, since they stopped giving any updates pretty quickly into the pandemic. I have family that live in China. Government officials are fired if Covid spreads at all, which will only result in officials fudging the numbers to save their job. Vietnam used some of the same tactics and Australia is mostly desert and an island that is easy to control when it comes to borders. There was a rumor that Trump mentioned to a book author that he thought Covid was airborne..and people lost their shit and wanted him in jail. If he implemented the same tactics as China, he would be on trial for mass murder. The US is punished for actually telling the truth about Covid and testing. It seems like many people would much rather hear complete lies about the numbers to make themselves feel better. Trump warned us back in January and wanted to close the borders and the Democrats told us to hug an Asian person and go to Chinese new year celebrations. Taiwan warned the WHO back in December and was promptly dismissed. The mainstream US media silenced anyone that went against the WHO. Corrupt organizations like the WHO and the government of China are to blame. China caused this mess and covered it up for months.
      - FreakyT 6y ago
        > Trump warned us back in January Ah yes, "warned", by assuring us that the virus was no worse than the common cold, and we were rapidly "turning a corner", and that it would just "go away on its own". > wanted to close the borders If he really wanted to, what stopped him? He was clearly fully capable of closing borders, given that he did close the border to China (too late) and Europe (also too late). Where was the closure to South Korea when the virus was spiking there?
        addicted 6y ago
        The China border was “closed” yet we had tens of thousands of Chinese travelers enter the US straight after the closure. And the European border “closing” was so badly managed that it almost certainly seeded the massive outbreak in the NorthEast in the initial phase by causing hundreds of super spreader events daily in airports across the northeast as people all tried to return from Europe within the same few days and the airports were completely unprepared to handle them safely.
        sacks2k 6y ago
        Most countries were unprepared, except for Taiwan. The government of China lied about SARS outbreaks and Taiwan has since had scientists that study disease outbreaks in China. Covid was spotted in December, but the WHO is under the influence of China and didn't listen..... It's strange how the Chinese government: lied about the disease, allowed it to spread throughout the world without warning anyone, and purchased all of the PPE (creating a shortage and possibly causing even more deaths). Yet here we are, blaming Trump.
        sacks2k 6y ago
        "Ah yes, "warned", by assuring us that the virus was no worse than the common cold, and we were rapidly "turning a corner", and that it would just "go away on its own"." I suppose he shouldn't have listened to the WHO at the time, which told us it couldn't spread from human-to-human. Nobody really knew anything about the virus at the time, except China, and the lied about it...but orange man bad. He was also being impeached at the time and the Democrats were too busy with this to care about the potential spread of Covid-19. He also talked about hydroxychloroquine, which his doctor was using at the time as a preventative measure for Covid-19. Was it a cure? No (he never said it was), but Doctors were taking it at the time and many were still were taking it before the vaccine. Because everything Trump said is bad, it was equated with junk science and possibly lead to the deaths of many more people. "If he really wanted to, what stopped him? He was clearly fully capable of closing borders, given that he did close the border to China (too late) and Europe (also too late). Where was the closure to South Korea when the virus was spiking there?" Right. He could easily just make decisions without the Democrats using everything in their power to stop him. Where have you been the last 4 years? Again, The WHO was warned about this back in December from Taiwan officials. Trump has been stopped from making decisions every step of the way from the Democrats and then Demonized in the press (which spread false information to the masses). You really can't then blame him for making the wrong decision.
    - hackerbabz 6y ago
      Cambodia too. We had our first known case of community transmission three weeks ago. It topped at 41 cases and we’ve had no new ones for three days. We have mandatory two week quarantine for all arivals, stores lose their business licenses if they let anyone in without a mask. Schools, cinemas, gyms, clubs are all closed. We’re hoping things will open up again in two weeks.
    - drcross 6y ago
      Australia- It's summer there. Duh. China- I'd prefer to die than live on my knees New Zealand- Summer. and Vietnam- SARS1 cross immunity, remember?
  - iamthemonster 6y ago
    It's just not realistic for the US to be able to match the performance of countries with advanced healthcare capabilities and resources like Vietnam.
    - owowow 6y ago
      Seriously, we can't expect to match the performance of a low income country we bombed back to the stone age just a few decades ago? Vietnam isn't a paragon of wealth and competent administration today, there is no good reason our public health departments should not have been able to perform equally or better than their equivalents in Vietnam.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  It’s a shame we’ve forgotten about the incompetence and idiocy that got us to where we are today. So many failures got us to this point.
  - InafuSabi 6y ago
    Also taking into account that often the balance between spreading the disease and letting people work to feed themselves and loved ones is a massive challenge. In my country we have destroyed economiy due to 10 years of incompetent greedy politics which had killed it already. People are out of work because of that. Now the pandemic has made sure no one will recover at an acceptable rate, because new politicians also struggle to find the balance. At this side of the planet we are screwed at such a hard rate, its amazing I can still feed myself, pay utilities and internet and be medically insured

"more deadly" does not necessarily mean more deaths in this case. If it kills like ebola more folks could take it seriously ultimately resulting in lower transmission and death rates.

the-pigeon 6y ago

In particular, when COVID19 was first spreading but we knew about it back in February countries could've easily contact traced to flush it out and then quarantined all incoming travelers to keep it out. But most countries deemed those actions too extreme and economically damaging so instead let it come spread and do way more damage.

drcross 6y ago
What you're proposing is highly experimental and probably wouldn't work. There's no single country in the world that has been able to restrain the sars2 virus despite spending millions trying to do so.
- wahern 6y ago
  Other than Australia, China, New Zealand, and Vietnam, you mean? And China managed that after it had already spread widely domestically; the others were quick on their feet.
  - sacks2k 6y ago
    China welded people into their homes, forced people into the hospital at gun point, and disappeared any doctor that actually wanted to warn the world about it back in December. There was also a recent document leaked that told us what many already suspected: they lied about their numbers. This isn't much of a surprise, since they stopped giving any updates pretty quickly into the pandemic. I have family that live in China. Government officials are fired if Covid spreads at all, which will only result in officials fudging the numbers to save their job. Vietnam used some of the same tactics and Australia is mostly desert and an island that is easy to control when it comes to borders. There was a rumor that Trump mentioned to a book author that he thought Covid was airborne..and people lost their shit and wanted him in jail. If he implemented the same tactics as China, he would be on trial for mass murder. The US is punished for actually telling the truth about Covid and testing. It seems like many people would much rather hear complete lies about the numbers to make themselves feel better. Trump warned us back in January and wanted to close the borders and the Democrats told us to hug an Asian person and go to Chinese new year celebrations. Taiwan warned the WHO back in December and was promptly dismissed. The mainstream US media silenced anyone that went against the WHO. Corrupt organizations like the WHO and the government of China are to blame. China caused this mess and covered it up for months.
    - FreakyT 6y ago
      > Trump warned us back in January Ah yes, "warned", by assuring us that the virus was no worse than the common cold, and we were rapidly "turning a corner", and that it would just "go away on its own". > wanted to close the borders If he really wanted to, what stopped him? He was clearly fully capable of closing borders, given that he did close the border to China (too late) and Europe (also too late). Where was the closure to South Korea when the virus was spiking there?
      - addicted 6y ago
        The China border was “closed” yet we had tens of thousands of Chinese travelers enter the US straight after the closure. And the European border “closing” was so badly managed that it almost certainly seeded the massive outbreak in the NorthEast in the initial phase by causing hundreds of super spreader events daily in airports across the northeast as people all tried to return from Europe within the same few days and the airports were completely unprepared to handle them safely.
        sacks2k 6y ago
        Most countries were unprepared, except for Taiwan. The government of China lied about SARS outbreaks and Taiwan has since had scientists that study disease outbreaks in China. Covid was spotted in December, but the WHO is under the influence of China and didn't listen..... It's strange how the Chinese government: lied about the disease, allowed it to spread throughout the world without warning anyone, and purchased all of the PPE (creating a shortage and possibly causing even more deaths). Yet here we are, blaming Trump.
      - sacks2k 6y ago
        "Ah yes, "warned", by assuring us that the virus was no worse than the common cold, and we were rapidly "turning a corner", and that it would just "go away on its own"." I suppose he shouldn't have listened to the WHO at the time, which told us it couldn't spread from human-to-human. Nobody really knew anything about the virus at the time, except China, and the lied about it...but orange man bad. He was also being impeached at the time and the Democrats were too busy with this to care about the potential spread of Covid-19. He also talked about hydroxychloroquine, which his doctor was using at the time as a preventative measure for Covid-19. Was it a cure? No (he never said it was), but Doctors were taking it at the time and many were still were taking it before the vaccine. Because everything Trump said is bad, it was equated with junk science and possibly lead to the deaths of many more people. "If he really wanted to, what stopped him? He was clearly fully capable of closing borders, given that he did close the border to China (too late) and Europe (also too late). Where was the closure to South Korea when the virus was spiking there?" Right. He could easily just make decisions without the Democrats using everything in their power to stop him. Where have you been the last 4 years? Again, The WHO was warned about this back in December from Taiwan officials. Trump has been stopped from making decisions every step of the way from the Democrats and then Demonized in the press (which spread false information to the masses). You really can't then blame him for making the wrong decision.
  - hackerbabz 6y ago
    Cambodia too. We had our first known case of community transmission three weeks ago. It topped at 41 cases and we’ve had no new ones for three days. We have mandatory two week quarantine for all arivals, stores lose their business licenses if they let anyone in without a mask. Schools, cinemas, gyms, clubs are all closed. We’re hoping things will open up again in two weeks.
  - drcross 6y ago
    Australia- It's summer there. Duh. China- I'd prefer to die than live on my knees New Zealand- Summer. and Vietnam- SARS1 cross immunity, remember?
- iamthemonster 6y ago
  It's just not realistic for the US to be able to match the performance of countries with advanced healthcare capabilities and resources like Vietnam.
  - owowow 6y ago
    Seriously, we can't expect to match the performance of a low income country we bombed back to the stone age just a few decades ago? Vietnam isn't a paragon of wealth and competent administration today, there is no good reason our public health departments should not have been able to perform equally or better than their equivalents in Vietnam.
bamboozled 6y ago
It’s a shame we’ve forgotten about the incompetence and idiocy that got us to where we are today. So many failures got us to this point.
- InafuSabi 6y ago
  Also taking into account that often the balance between spreading the disease and letting people work to feed themselves and loved ones is a massive challenge. In my country we have destroyed economiy due to 10 years of incompetent greedy politics which had killed it already. People are out of work because of that. Now the pandemic has made sure no one will recover at an acceptable rate, because new politicians also struggle to find the balance. At this side of the planet we are screwed at such a hard rate, its amazing I can still feed myself, pay utilities and internet and be medically insured