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U.S. charges China-based Zoom employee for disrupting Tiananmen commemoration
- Shared404 6y ago> Jin was responsible for "proactively monitoring" Zoom's platform for what Beijing considers to be "illegal” meetings[.] This concerns me. There's only so many ways to monitor a platform, and most of the ones I can think of that could be considered "proactive" involve things like watching other peoples meetings - which doesn't seem unlikely given that this event occurred in China.
- afrojack123 6y agoNot a surprise. The entire engineering team is in China. This is a disaster waiting to happen. China knows how to work the American system better than Americans.
- eznzt 6y ago>Xinjiang Jin, also known as Julien Jin heh. Is this common practice?
- underseacables 6y agoWinnie the Pooh
- heraclius 6y agoMany (ethnic) Chinese people take Western first names and go by them in the West and/or non-Chinese language environments, so yes, this is quite common. For example, Lee Kuan Yew was Harry Lee to many British acquaintances. (Note that the surname is first here—people vary in which order they put the names of Chinese people—and there are two non-family names, which is common for Chinese in Taiwan, SG, etc., but not in the Mainland.)
- LatteLazy 6y agoYeah, pretty much everyone I worked with in HK had an "English" name they used day to day and an official Chinese name.
- detaro 6y agoYes. Seen it with Koreans too, at least if their real name is difficult to pronounce for English speakers.
- jonathankoren 6y agoYes. People unfamiliar with pinyin often mispronounce names, particularly those with an X or Q starting letter. Ironically, my wife's name is easy for English speakers to pronounce, but unfortunately it is not spelled like how it's pronounced.
- nashashmi 6y ago> Jin willingly committed crimes, and sought to mislead others at the company, to help PRC authorities censor and punish U.S. users’ core political speech merely for exercising their rights to free expression," Freedom of speech on a private platform? How is that even enforceable? I thought only government could not restrict speech. But private entities did not have to promote speech and had say in which speech they promoted and which they didn’t.
- chomp 6y ago18 U.S. Code § 2261A 18 U.S. Code § 1028 He's not charged with breaking freedom of speech, he's being charged with various felonies relating to siphoning off identifying information for use by the Chinese government.
- LatteLazy 6y agoI'm confused exactly what he is being charged with? Is it a crime for Zoom to shut down meetings zoom doesn't like? Especially ones that are illegal in the jurisdiction of the participants? I don't support censorship, I'm just surprised that that is a crime under US law... Also, while I support action on China, its sort of ironic for them to be trying to apply US law in China to punish Chinese law being applied to people in the US.
- mlindner 6y ago> Also, while I support action on China, its sort of ironic for them to be trying to apply US law in China to punish Chinese law being applied to people in the US. It wasn't them applying US law in China. It was US law in the US.
- 99_00 6y ago>conspiracy to commit interstate harassment and unlawful conspiracy to transfer a means of identification >The meetings were conducted using a videoconferencing program provided by Company-1, and were organized and hosted by U.S-based individuals, including individuals residing in the Eastern District of New York. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-telecommunications-company-charged-disrupting-video-meetings https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/china-based-executive-us-tele...
- LatteLazy 6y agoThanks. If the victims were in the US, that makes more sense. Though it still leaves a question mark over what happens when other countries do the same thing...
- felipelemos 6y ago> Though it still leaves a question mark over what happens when other countries do the same thing... This is whataboutism.
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- gotaran 6y agoHow the fuck is this not on the front page of HN?
- sjg007 6y agoSo should we be using zoom? Does China have a back door?
- GekkePrutser 6y agoIf you're still asking this you must have missed all the previous scandals around zoom :) Personally I particularly hated the backdoor they installed on my Mac and only removed after significant media pressure - their initial response was "works as designed". But there were so many others.
- imposterr 6y agoThey didn't remove it did they? I thought Apple released a patch update that removed it?
- GekkePrutser 6y agoEventually they did, but only after complaining a lot. Indeed Apple took action as well. That alone proves their mindset is completely wrong IMO.