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Thanks for the idea! I wouldn't be surprised if we move in this direction. People love their fobs, but provisioning for temporary access on the big access contr

Thanks for the idea! I wouldn't be surprised if we move in this direction. People love their fobs, but provisioning for temporary access on the big access control systems is a pain with current panels. The big issue is, of course, hardware development cost in getting active NFC into the locksets. Some of the high end hotel & commercial locksets from Assa and Schlage are adding NFC capabilities, but I suspect the software is plagued by the same, traditional problems.

18pfsmt 15y ago
Just find a way to abstract all the nonsense. I'd be happy to help you to get test locks ( I have contacts at schlage and Assa Abloy). I don't want to bother you by email w/o permission, however.
- ccamrobertson 15y ago
  I'd love to hear more about your NFC experience - feel free to drop me a line at cameron@lockitron.com.
- cynix 15y ago
  Do Schlage or Assa Abloy have standalone battery-powered locks like the Lockitron that uses FeliCa or MIFARE cards?
  - rdl 15y ago
    There are a bunch. One of the most configurable is: http://www.gokeyless.com/product/1333/2/keyless-deadbolt-locks.php http://www.gokeyless.com/product/1333/2/keyless-deadbolt-loc... They use the iClass, which is the new HID thing. Once I get a home/office set up with a hardware lab later this month, I'm going to try to see if I can build something user-powered vs. battery which does this kind of thing (similar to how the Mas-Hamilton or Kaba-Mas X09 works) and speaks to iClass.
    - rdl 15y ago
      like these: http://www.gokeyless.com/product/599/2/kaba-eplex-5700-electronic-card-lock http://www.gokeyless.com/product/599/2/kaba-eplex-5700-elect... Self powered by the user moving the handle.
    - cynix 15y ago
      Thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping for something a bit more discreet on the outside of the door like the Lockitron, and uses FeliCa or MIFARE cards.
nupark2 15y ago
The current software is bad, but you must realize that we don't want off-site "cloud" software for our office doors. What happens when your servers go down (or our internet goes down) and we ... what, send people home? Prop the doors open because our door unlocking service provider is down? What we want is reliable software that we can own, run locally, integrate into our existing systems, and maintain in the event of failure.
- rdl 15y ago
  Yeah -- the question I have about why Lockitron did it the way they did is if there were patent or other considerations which forced them into doing it that way. If not, I think it would be technically pretty simple to build a small quantity which behave the way I (and you, and some others) want; it's still hard to build for mass production, and gets even harder once people get picky about the color, material, design, etc. of the actual locksets.
- rdl 15y ago
  Actually, for commercial users, what would rock is something which could do LDAP and integrate with real-ldap or Active Directory for access control; taking it away from a weird outsourced system or standalone old windows PC and integrating with the regular IT infrastructure. This already happened with PBXes; next, it should happen with access control, and then with building management (HVAC; imagine if logging into your workstation allowed you to have programmed lighting/heating controls for your work area happen automatically; especially useful if you work at night or on weekends in a big office)
  - nupark2 15y ago
    I very much agree. Having something that could drop into our existing directory system is exactly what I was thinking; the standalone Windows PC is what needs to be retired.

18pfsmt 15y ago

Just find a way to abstract all the nonsense. I'd be happy to help you to get test locks ( I have contacts at schlage and Assa Abloy). I don't want to bother you by email w/o permission, however.

ccamrobertson 15y ago
I'd love to hear more about your NFC experience - feel free to drop me a line at cameron@lockitron.com.
cynix 15y ago
Do Schlage or Assa Abloy have standalone battery-powered locks like the Lockitron that uses FeliCa or MIFARE cards?
- rdl 15y ago
  There are a bunch. One of the most configurable is: http://www.gokeyless.com/product/1333/2/keyless-deadbolt-locks.php http://www.gokeyless.com/product/1333/2/keyless-deadbolt-loc... They use the iClass, which is the new HID thing. Once I get a home/office set up with a hardware lab later this month, I'm going to try to see if I can build something user-powered vs. battery which does this kind of thing (similar to how the Mas-Hamilton or Kaba-Mas X09 works) and speaks to iClass.
  - rdl 15y ago
    like these: http://www.gokeyless.com/product/599/2/kaba-eplex-5700-electronic-card-lock http://www.gokeyless.com/product/599/2/kaba-eplex-5700-elect... Self powered by the user moving the handle.
  - cynix 15y ago
    Thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping for something a bit more discreet on the outside of the door like the Lockitron, and uses FeliCa or MIFARE cards.

nupark2 15y ago

The current software is bad, but you must realize that we don't want off-site "cloud" software for our office doors. What happens when your servers go down (or our internet goes down) and we ... what, send people home? Prop the doors open because our door unlocking service provider is down? What we want is reliable software that we can own, run locally, integrate into our existing systems, and maintain in the event of failure.

rdl 15y ago
Yeah -- the question I have about why Lockitron did it the way they did is if there were patent or other considerations which forced them into doing it that way. If not, I think it would be technically pretty simple to build a small quantity which behave the way I (and you, and some others) want; it's still hard to build for mass production, and gets even harder once people get picky about the color, material, design, etc. of the actual locksets.
rdl 15y ago
Actually, for commercial users, what would rock is something which could do LDAP and integrate with real-ldap or Active Directory for access control; taking it away from a weird outsourced system or standalone old windows PC and integrating with the regular IT infrastructure. This already happened with PBXes; next, it should happen with access control, and then with building management (HVAC; imagine if logging into your workstation allowed you to have programmed lighting/heating controls for your work area happen automatically; especially useful if you work at night or on weekends in a big office)
- nupark2 15y ago
  I very much agree. Having something that could drop into our existing directory system is exactly what I was thinking; the standalone Windows PC is what needs to be retired.