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> When it comes to China, everyone is impotent taking actions, because they rely on China too much Because they are a major world power. What has anyone done t

by disown 6y ago

> When it comes to China, everyone is impotent taking actions, because they rely on China too much Because they are a major world power. What has anyone done to stop our invasions of iraq, afghanistan, etc? What has anyone done about Britain/France and their invasion of libya? What has anyone done about Russian annexation of crimea or the EU's "annexation" of ukraine? Has nothing to do with trade. Even if we stopped trading with china, we aren't going to attack china. > Thank you UN for not being able to do your job! The UN was created by the US, Britain, France, Russia/Soviet Union and China primarily to prevent wars between US, Britain, France, Russia/Soviet Union and China. They are the 5 permanent security council members with veto powers for a reason. So the UN has actually done its job well if you understand why the UN exists. > UPD: it makes me sad so many Uighur people detained in camps What people? You mean the terrorists/separatists? By "camps", you mean prisons/detention centers? Why aren't you crying over the libyans, syrians, kurds, etc? > People seem to forgive anything if they can get things little cheaper And everyone is getting a bit tired of the "uighur" propaganda. The top comments here are literally propaganda. What happened to your lies of genocide? Funny how you people talked about "genocide" and now are beaten down to "camps". What happened to genocide? Can't really pull of that lie anymore when the uighur population has increased 10X? The chinese had detention centers for uighur terrorists/separatists for nearly 20 years now. Why are you all off a sudden "upset"? And stop hijacking threads that have nothing to do with china or uighurs to peddle your disinformation.

yorwba 6y ago
> The chinese had detention centers for uighur terrorists/separatists for nearly 20 years now. China has also been using forced labor as part of regular punishment for less dangerous crimes like prostitution and drug use for decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai which does make it look like political calculation that the current campaign to get companies to stop using forced labor is limited to Xinjiang instead of all of China, or the rest of the world, for that matter. That doesn't mean that declaring everyone arrested a terrorist or separatist is any less propagandistic. There are plenty of perverse incentives to arrest people on trumped-up charges. Here's an article about the war on drugs in Yunnan: https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef%bb%bf-forced-detox-camps-reeducation-through-labour-and-the-contradictions-of-chinas-war-on-drugs/ https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef... illustrating how the police are incentivized to polish their arrest quota, of drug addicts in that case. It's unlikely that police in Xinjiang are acting with any more precision and accountability in the war on terror than their colleagues in Yunnan in the war on drugs. > What happened to your lies of genocide? It's also possible that the person you're replying to never believed in the "genocide" story, but nonetheless thinks that arresting thousands of people based on mere suspicion of terrorism is unjust and unnecessary. Not everyone sorts neatly into one of two factions.
- disown 6y ago
  > It's also possible that the person you're replying to never believed in the "genocide" story Of course not. Propagandists know the propaganda they are spreading is false. Especially something as absurd as uigher genocide. > but nonetheless thinks that arresting thousands of people based on mere suspicion of terrorism is unjust and unnecessary. No. I doubt that. > Not everyone sorts neatly into one of two factions. Propagandists do... I love the role you are trying to play. It's a bit obvious, but a welcomed distraction.
  - yorwba 6y ago
    > Propagandists know the propaganda they are spreading is false. If everyone who says something untrue is a propagandist who doesn't believe their own lies, then there's little reason to debate, since then everyone would know the truth, even if some may deny it. I rather think that most people who spread propaganda do so unwittingly, because they earnestly believe that they have some information that is both true and important. > I love the role you are trying to play. It's a bit obvious, but a welcomed distraction. I have some trouble noticing how I am perceived by others, so could you tell me what that role is? Am I the incorrigible idiot who thinks there are no bad people, only good people making mistakes? The mediocre mediator who believes the truth is always found in the middle between two extremes? The compulsive contrarian who'll find a reason to disagree with anyone? The perfidious propagandist who serves up a watered-down version of the same lie if the previous one didn't catch on? The annoying alliterator for whom words are toys and the truth a bendy reed?

by disown 6y ago

yorwba 6y ago

> The chinese had detention centers for uighur terrorists/separatists for nearly 20 years now. China has also been using forced labor as part of regular punishment for less dangerous crimes like prostitution and drug use for decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai which does make it look like political calculation that the current campaign to get companies to stop using forced labor is limited to Xinjiang instead of all of China, or the rest of the world, for that matter. That doesn't mean that declaring everyone arrested a terrorist or separatist is any less propagandistic. There are plenty of perverse incentives to arrest people on trumped-up charges. Here's an article about the war on drugs in Yunnan: https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef%bb%bf-forced-detox-camps-reeducation-through-labour-and-the-contradictions-of-chinas-war-on-drugs/ https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef... illustrating how the police are incentivized to polish their arrest quota, of drug addicts in that case. It's unlikely that police in Xinjiang are acting with any more precision and accountability in the war on terror than their colleagues in Yunnan in the war on drugs. > What happened to your lies of genocide? It's also possible that the person you're replying to never believed in the "genocide" story, but nonetheless thinks that arresting thousands of people based on mere suspicion of terrorism is unjust and unnecessary. Not everyone sorts neatly into one of two factions.

disown 6y ago
> It's also possible that the person you're replying to never believed in the "genocide" story Of course not. Propagandists know the propaganda they are spreading is false. Especially something as absurd as uigher genocide. > but nonetheless thinks that arresting thousands of people based on mere suspicion of terrorism is unjust and unnecessary. No. I doubt that. > Not everyone sorts neatly into one of two factions. Propagandists do... I love the role you are trying to play. It's a bit obvious, but a welcomed distraction.
- yorwba 6y ago
  > Propagandists know the propaganda they are spreading is false. If everyone who says something untrue is a propagandist who doesn't believe their own lies, then there's little reason to debate, since then everyone would know the truth, even if some may deny it. I rather think that most people who spread propaganda do so unwittingly, because they earnestly believe that they have some information that is both true and important. > I love the role you are trying to play. It's a bit obvious, but a welcomed distraction. I have some trouble noticing how I am perceived by others, so could you tell me what that role is? Am I the incorrigible idiot who thinks there are no bad people, only good people making mistakes? The mediocre mediator who believes the truth is always found in the middle between two extremes? The compulsive contrarian who'll find a reason to disagree with anyone? The perfidious propagandist who serves up a watered-down version of the same lie if the previous one didn't catch on? The annoying alliterator for whom words are toys and the truth a bendy reed?