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It is interesting that they initially offered subscription model without unexpirable license. But because of community backlash they changed it and people seem

It is interesting that they initially offered subscription model without unexpirable license. But because of community backlash they changed it and people seem to be happy with the outcome. Listen to your users.

csharptwdec19 6y ago
> It is interesting that they initially offered subscription model without unexpirable license. I wasn't even aware they ever did licenses that 'fully expire' but I'm glad they have their current model.
- Semaphor 6y ago
  It went Buy_every_version_you_want -> Hard_license -> Outcry -> Current model.
- nightski 6y ago
  Current model still isn't perfect as you only get the version that existed when your sub starts not when it ends. So if your sub expires you actually have to downgrade the product to an old version. Before if you bought a major point release you would get all minor point releases as upgrades. Now you don't even get any bug fixes that occurred since your sub started. I love their products though.
  - vbezhenar 6y ago
    You'll get bugfixes (all .Z releases in X.Y.Z scheme).
  - pvorb 6y ago
    Well, I think it's fair. If there was no subscription model, this would be the same as buying the version that was available at the time of your purchase. Everything that gets released after that is only a teaser that nags you to continue your subscription. You don't need to update.
    - nightski 6y ago
      Before the licensing change if you purchased a major version such as 5.0 you would get all upgrades for free until 6.0. This was the change that caused the uproar because that was no longer the case.
apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
I feel like you are understating the backlash they faced. I came back from a vacation the day after they announced it and checked here, /r/programming, and a few other developer-focused forums including their own site and it was like the world was on fire. There were very few people who supported the change or were even indifferent. It seemed like the entire community united against it. JetBrains really didn't have a choice but to listen. And thankfully they did; their products are invaluable to us at this point.
- j-krieger 6y ago
  Just out of interest, what other development-focused forums are there?
  - apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
    Forums in general have been dying out for a while now, unfortunately. I think this was back in August 2015 and at the time, I was an active member of some now-dead forums on the ProBoards network and I distinctly remember looking at either laravel.io or the Laracasts forums to gauge reaction.
    - j-krieger 6y ago
      I see. All I have left is this and the programming subreddit. The latter suffers a lot from new programmers and unrelated content (something like „I wrote my first HTML Tag today). Programming language specific subreddits suffer from a low number of subscribers. YC suffers from elite mindsets and arrogance (most notably on topics like modern javascript)

csharptwdec19 6y ago

> It is interesting that they initially offered subscription model without unexpirable license. I wasn't even aware they ever did licenses that 'fully expire' but I'm glad they have their current model.

Semaphor 6y ago
It went Buy_every_version_you_want -> Hard_license -> Outcry -> Current model.
nightski 6y ago
Current model still isn't perfect as you only get the version that existed when your sub starts not when it ends. So if your sub expires you actually have to downgrade the product to an old version. Before if you bought a major point release you would get all minor point releases as upgrades. Now you don't even get any bug fixes that occurred since your sub started. I love their products though.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  You'll get bugfixes (all .Z releases in X.Y.Z scheme).
- pvorb 6y ago
  Well, I think it's fair. If there was no subscription model, this would be the same as buying the version that was available at the time of your purchase. Everything that gets released after that is only a teaser that nags you to continue your subscription. You don't need to update.
  - nightski 6y ago
    Before the licensing change if you purchased a major version such as 5.0 you would get all upgrades for free until 6.0. This was the change that caused the uproar because that was no longer the case.

apocalyptic0n3 6y ago

I feel like you are understating the backlash they faced. I came back from a vacation the day after they announced it and checked here, /r/programming, and a few other developer-focused forums including their own site and it was like the world was on fire. There were very few people who supported the change or were even indifferent. It seemed like the entire community united against it. JetBrains really didn't have a choice but to listen. And thankfully they did; their products are invaluable to us at this point.

j-krieger 6y ago
Just out of interest, what other development-focused forums are there?
- apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
  Forums in general have been dying out for a while now, unfortunately. I think this was back in August 2015 and at the time, I was an active member of some now-dead forums on the ProBoards network and I distinctly remember looking at either laravel.io or the Laracasts forums to gauge reaction.
  - j-krieger 6y ago
    I see. All I have left is this and the programming subreddit. The latter suffers a lot from new programmers and unrelated content (something like „I wrote my first HTML Tag today). Programming language specific subreddits suffer from a low number of subscribers. YC suffers from elite mindsets and arrogance (most notably on topics like modern javascript)