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You have no women in your society concerned with misogyny? I know for a fact that isn't true as I work closely with several Polish women (residing in Poland). P

You have no women in your society concerned with misogyny? I know for a fact that isn't true as I work closely with several Polish women (residing in Poland). Perhaps they are not representative of others, but I doubt very much Poland is free from misogyny and that women don't care either way. The idea that 90% of the world doesn't care about something that affects 50% of the population is a reach. And the idea that nobody cares about xenophobia also seems unlikely. It's a less diverse country, sure, but the debate around migrants in Poland have been public and at times quite emotive. Maybe it's all smoke no fire, but it when Jaroslaw Kaczynski helped the PiS rise to power while denigrating migrants throughout, you can't help but be doubtful that xenophobia isn't meaningful to some of those smaller pockets of non-native Poles in your country. EDIT: I do not know if these concerns are merited within the context of the game itself. I have not played Cyberpunk 2077. I only take issue with your belief that misogyny and xenophobia are of no concern to people in central or eastern Europe. It sounds like an opinion of someone without such cares personally, not someone who can attest that such cares are unwarranted.

effry-much 6y ago
I don't believe in your good intentions regarding this conversation. Why? Well because you constructed this straw man argument that I meant literally no one in Poland cares about the Western SJW values. It is obvious that you will find people like that - usually among 'grievance studies' graduates, or heavy social-media users that tend to become infected with the 'woke culture'. Regarding misogyny, sure we have it here. Same with misandry, but somehow only the first issue is important according to the church of SJW. Xenophobia is not an issue when you realise that Poland in the last years issued more residence permits to non-EU immigrants than any other country in the EU. From what I see, you do what usually woke people do - they take some issue, fetishise it, misrepresent by a factor of 10 or 100, then claim whoever doesn't agree with their view is a fascist. And in the meantime people in Poland live everyday lives, not caring about all that stuff. Half a century of soviet propaganda made us more immune to the progressive socialist propaganda than most societies, I suppose.
- HelloMcFly 6y ago
  I cannot reference your exact comment because it is now flagged, but I believe you said people in Poland don't care about that these issues are only concerns to a very small but influential niche of Westerners. I do not believe I misrepresented what you wrote, though I may have misrepresented what you meant. But then I read the rest of your comment and I feel comfortable that I didn't misread anything at all. In fact you make that clear at the end: > And in the meantime people in Poland live everyday lives, not caring about all that stuff. I know Polish people that do not think like you. I don't take them to represent the entirety of your country, nor do I take your word either. I'm not really going to debate the topics, nor do I care to defend myself against the imagined caricature you've conjured of me. I just think your claims to represent the reality in Poland do not square with the reality I know others live or behavior that is plainly evident from your major political party in power. Of course that party doesn't represent everyone anymore than Trump represents most Americans, but it evidences something real and tangible.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    You misrepresented what they said. You misrepresented their intention. You misrepresented their literal. Their point is fair. Poland might be cultural different to the West. They lived there and explained why it might be the case. It was a logical interesting point. Their point on whether "SJW"s help or hurt has been discussed to death. This seems true - Highest number of first residence permits issued in Poland - https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10189082/3-25102019-AP-EN.pdf/95e08bc8-476d-1f7d-a519-300bdec438cb https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10189082/3-2... Comments like "You have no women in your society concerned with misogyny?" was trolling.
    - HelloMcFly 6y ago
      I wasn't trolling, I was reacting indignantly to what I perceived to be a blatant overstep on their part by claiming to speak for Poland. I know they do not, because I personally know and socialize with Polish people and also know - as a direct result of that - a bit of Polish political news. I am not here for any "SJW" debate as everyone else seems to keen to get into, nor do I care to litigate Poland's track record of immigration as I lack either interest or competence to do so. I do not doubt or question that Polish has a different cultural disposition than more Western countries.

effry-much 6y ago

I don't believe in your good intentions regarding this conversation. Why? Well because you constructed this straw man argument that I meant literally no one in Poland cares about the Western SJW values. It is obvious that you will find people like that - usually among 'grievance studies' graduates, or heavy social-media users that tend to become infected with the 'woke culture'. Regarding misogyny, sure we have it here. Same with misandry, but somehow only the first issue is important according to the church of SJW. Xenophobia is not an issue when you realise that Poland in the last years issued more residence permits to non-EU immigrants than any other country in the EU. From what I see, you do what usually woke people do - they take some issue, fetishise it, misrepresent by a factor of 10 or 100, then claim whoever doesn't agree with their view is a fascist. And in the meantime people in Poland live everyday lives, not caring about all that stuff. Half a century of soviet propaganda made us more immune to the progressive socialist propaganda than most societies, I suppose.

HelloMcFly 6y ago
I cannot reference your exact comment because it is now flagged, but I believe you said people in Poland don't care about that these issues are only concerns to a very small but influential niche of Westerners. I do not believe I misrepresented what you wrote, though I may have misrepresented what you meant. But then I read the rest of your comment and I feel comfortable that I didn't misread anything at all. In fact you make that clear at the end: > And in the meantime people in Poland live everyday lives, not caring about all that stuff. I know Polish people that do not think like you. I don't take them to represent the entirety of your country, nor do I take your word either. I'm not really going to debate the topics, nor do I care to defend myself against the imagined caricature you've conjured of me. I just think your claims to represent the reality in Poland do not square with the reality I know others live or behavior that is plainly evident from your major political party in power. Of course that party doesn't represent everyone anymore than Trump represents most Americans, but it evidences something real and tangible.
- aaron695 6y ago
  You misrepresented what they said. You misrepresented their intention. You misrepresented their literal. Their point is fair. Poland might be cultural different to the West. They lived there and explained why it might be the case. It was a logical interesting point. Their point on whether "SJW"s help or hurt has been discussed to death. This seems true - Highest number of first residence permits issued in Poland - https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10189082/3-25102019-AP-EN.pdf/95e08bc8-476d-1f7d-a519-300bdec438cb https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10189082/3-2... Comments like "You have no women in your society concerned with misogyny?" was trolling.
  - HelloMcFly 6y ago
    I wasn't trolling, I was reacting indignantly to what I perceived to be a blatant overstep on their part by claiming to speak for Poland. I know they do not, because I personally know and socialize with Polish people and also know - as a direct result of that - a bit of Polish political news. I am not here for any "SJW" debate as everyone else seems to keen to get into, nor do I care to litigate Poland's track record of immigration as I lack either interest or competence to do so. I do not doubt or question that Polish has a different cultural disposition than more Western countries.